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Comment from: Mr Business golf [Visitor] Email
Bravo!
01/19/08 @ 20:39
Comment from: Oliver Sudden [Visitor] Email
It is incorrect to assume racism is at play by saying "Why does the Golf Channel have 33 on-air announcers, but only two of color?". The same might be true of Irish Americans. If there was no racism of any kind in American society it would still be possible to find examples of over or under representation in organizations. The irresponsible media is determined to paint white Americans as racists and Tiger Woods is correct trying to downplay racism as that will be the only way progress is ever made.
01/19/08 @ 20:44
Comment from: Brandon Tucker [Visitor] Email
I think golf in America carries an elitist problem over a racist problem.

The great thing about golf is that it is probably the most transparent sport out there. You can't cut a kid on a golf team because of race, because if his scores are better than another kid you have to take him.

The only problem with golf is that it is too expensive, so minorities have a harder time getting introduced to the game.

In my honest opinion, I think that the golf world is probably less racist than the daily real world.

01/19/08 @ 22:29
Comment from: CB Maxwell [Visitor] Email
Spot on William!
I was at the PGA Show and have just returned.

As I walked by the Golfweek booth and saw the cover, I almost fell over. The visceral reaction I had was strong, and as everyone knows, I am not very good at PC behavior or words for that matter. In the press room, every single golf journalist, writer, publicist was appalled at the premeditated callous knife in the back of Kelly and the issue, without really exploring it.
Kelly's comment was racist based period. Did she mean harm? Of course not, just some good ol' boy southern humor, which was offensive to many. It was interesting that Jeff Rude said that the vast majority of emails he received said it was no big deal. I was one of three emails criticizing his "covering" for Kelly and received a call back to publish the same comments that got me in so much hot water here.

Diversity in golf? Is this a question? Should the golf industry be subject to more criticism because so few African American's play the game? I don't think so. If we simply look to the cultural makeup of any sport, we see those who have access...play. Soccer, baseball, basketball, football...there is lots of money and major support systems in place to bring talent to there respective games.
Hispanics and Latinos are replacing blacks in baseball. Blacks gravitate to basketball and football, where millions of dollars are at stake, even for those just leaving high school...think Kobe Bryant. Blacks dominate basketball, and no one is saying we need affirmative action to bring more white players are they?
Golf is an elitist sport. Always has been, likely always will be. It is expensive. It is for those with too much time on their hands to learn the game with proper instruction. It is for those who embrace the tradition that made the game great.
What I see happening is a coarsening of the game. Drunk hackers who will threaten you if you ask to play through. 6 hour rounds. 7500 yard courses when the majority can't break 100. It is out of control and the industry is suffering the consequences.
More and more manufacturers are opting out of the show. Fewer and fewer visitors come to the PGA Show. Total cynicism from the golf media, most perfectly exampled by the Golfweek cover.

As one senior Golfweek writer expressed it me, when I asked the age of the editor who was fired, he said he was 55, but the editorial staff below him were all 30 something guys who thought this cover would be "edgy." Smart move boys.

Golf doesn't need to be edgy. Golf needs to rediscover it roots, and that it is this it is not a game for the masses, as much as the PGA has said "we need to grow the game." Everyone played baseball as a kid, and everyone has a hoop on his garage, or in the park. Golf takes training. Golf takes money. Golf take dedication. Golf takes time. It doesn't take two minutes to learn to shoot a basketball. It doesn't take two minutes to learn to throw a baseball. It takes one minute to learn how to run. It takes ten minutes to learn to ride a bike. Nicklaus says it takes five years of dedicated practice to learn to play golf. It is not, and should not be for everyone.

Kelly should go to FOX.
01/19/08 @ 22:37
Comment from: Ron Mon [Member] Email
CB, why isn't the above a blog entry? Dammit, man, it's long enough and thick enough with substance. Pull it, reshape it and post it! Then we can comment! More exclamation points!!! Interjections!! I've lost my mind...
01/20/08 @ 10:01
Comment from: Wendy (UK) [Visitor]
Find myself in agreement with much of above, particularly because this is NOT unique to the USA. Think of the European PGA Tour make-up vis-a-vis our soccer teams. My own soccer team is 50/50% black/white (& 90% non-Brits. but that's another story) and I have yet to see a single black person on my local courses - and believe me they are at the bottom end of snobbism - heck, they even let ME play.
01/20/08 @ 10:45
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Why don't you all stop with the PC garbage?

True thinkers are very rare in the world. How do you identify one? Well, for one thing, a thinker doesn't accept the priorities of the world; he perceives truth and discerns what his priorities should be based on it.

Diversity is perversity.
01/20/08 @ 18:43
Comment from: murl42 [Visitor] Email
Golf has been and remains a game that until 30 years ago no person of color could compete at the professional nor could they play on 99%of the courses in "America". The truth is golf in the last decade has started to realize that it needs to be an inclusive sport and to their credit they are attempting to make rapid changes by making the game more accessible. I assure you as more people of color get access to sponsors which is critical to playing at the top tier of the game you will see change and the sport will be better for it. It is simply a hard case of denial to say that the sport has solved it problem of not of inclusiveness. Golf still has miles to go before it can claim victory o9ve it's historic bias.
01/20/08 @ 20:47
Comment from: CB [Visitor] Email
Ohuuuu...Judge Smalls perceives himself to be a "true thinker." A legend in his own mind. Plus "diversity is perversity" is a slogan from Michael Savage and should be in quotes, with attribution. So, we have a plagiarist and an egotist all in ONE! Amazing.
01/20/08 @ 20:49
Comment from: Oui Oui Oui [Visitor] Email
With all the Koreans that are on LPGA and now on the PGA Tour (Anthony Kim, Kevin Na, Charlie Wi, and of course KJ Choi), do people think racism in golf is directed towards African Americans only?

01/21/08 @ 08:17
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
murl42,

Your post is way off base. Your premise is easily refuted. I don't have the time or the inclination to do so.

I would advise you to amend the first sentence of your post. As written, it doesn't make any sense. How could the sport of Golf remain the same as it was thirty years ago if it has changed in the last ten years?

Also, my friend, please explain why you enclosed the name America in quotation marks.

Is that your way of expressing some sort of contempt for this country?

At least you didn't spell America with a "k".
01/21/08 @ 11:02
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
CB,

Are you Mr. Maxwell, sir? If so, I thought we had already buried the hatchet. I admitted my error and credited you for being the imbecile you are.
01/21/08 @ 19:48
Comment from: MacKenzie [Visitor] Email
Judge Smails,

You have been exposed by CB as nothing but a bigot. You have lost all credibilities among the readers here.
01/22/08 @ 07:17
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
MacKenzie,

You have been exposed by Alex to be nothing but a simpleton.

But you have not lost any credibility among the readers here. You have never had any credibility here. On these boards, you sir, are a nonentity.
01/22/08 @ 07:58
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Wendy,

You have embraced a common fiction. The individuals who fought for what you mentioned were not the PC people of their day. All the people who accomplished any legitimate good were believing Christians (e.g., abolitionists in antebellum days).

The PC people are actually fascists; this isn't hyperbole, but fact. Nazism, communism and liberalism all have the same spiritual underpinnings, a fact pointed out by one of your great countrymen, C.S. Lewis (in his book The Abolition of Man). However, the best exposition on the matter I've ever read was written by someone named Ace Walker. It is found here: http://www.hevanet.com/kort/FASCISM1.HTM. Among other things, he points out that prior to WWII, the American left was very much enamored of the European Fascists.
01/22/08 @ 12:15
Comment from: MacKenzie [Visitor] Email
Alex,

A simpleton is better than a bigot of a blog buddy you have.

And let Judge Smail defend himself...
01/22/08 @ 12:59
Comment from: Wendy (UK) [Visitor]
Alex - I cannot believe that my above post was blocked until I removed my kisses to you at the end - or was it the reference "Now onto Judge Smails" that did it?
01/22/08 @ 13:47
Comment from: Wendy (UK) [Visitor]
Nope, it was definitely the kisses wot dunnit!
01/22/08 @ 13:49
Comment from: Wendy (UK) [Visitor]
Judge Smails - I don't think Nye Bevan was a believing Christian, although his father was a Baptist and his mother a Methodist (I looked the latter up, I confess) nor do I think that compassion is the sole preserve of Christians, or even of those who believe in a God. You do have the irritating habit of stating your opinions as fact. Is a simple IMHO so beyond you?

I assume you use the word "Fascist" in the case of "PC people" in the sense of restricting individual freedoms? In which case you would consider me a Fascist as I support most law & order which does exactly that.

I have read "The Abolition of Man" but not the exposition by Ace Walker, (will do so) - shall we leave discussions re Fascism/Communism, etc, for another place & time, however, for the sake of everyone who thinks this is a golf-related blog?

01/22/08 @ 14:28
Comment from: MacKenzie [Visitor] Email
Alex, don't hold your breathe.

As if you have credibility here? HAHAHAHAHA.
01/22/08 @ 15:17
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
MacKenzie,

Back to your sandbox, child!

When you get past your twelfth birthday, and your level of literacy improves, try matching wits with me then.

For now, butt out!

P.S. There is no "e" on the end of the noun "breath."

Alex USMC 1969-73
01/22/08 @ 18:39
Comment from: MacKenzie [Visitor] Email
Alex, you are right, I will leave you alone here to express your wits and get a kick out of life.

You are like a frog stuck at the bottom of a water well who thinks the world is the size of the opening.
01/23/08 @ 08:04
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Wendy,

In the US, we also have been blessed with a wealthy class who for the most part have been generous with endowments to all phases of education.

But that has not stopped those inbued with class envy from spouting hatred os anybody who has a cent more than they have.

I guess those folks of the landed aristocracy weren't so bad after all.

As far as taxes go, sure, taxes are necessary for essential services, but many of the pet projects of US politicians are nothing more than bribery for votes.

Not long ago, the public schools in the US were the envy of the rest of the world. Not any more. The politicians have pandered to the teachers' unions and those who would dumb down the population to the degree that large segments of our people, especially those trapped in our inner cities, have become semi-literate at best.

MacKenzie and his ilk are most probably recent products of American public schools.
01/23/08 @ 09:23
Comment from: Oui Oui Oui [Visitor] Email
Wendy,

For the record, Americans give more money to charity either per capita or in total sum than any other country in the world.

On top of that, Americans have provided money and troops to protect and build more countries in the world than the rest of the world care to acknowledge.

Without America, the Brits would be speaking German nowadays.
01/23/08 @ 10:53
Comment from: Wendy (UK) [Visitor]
Oui, I am flabbergasted if you have interpreted any of my comments as criticism of America or Americans. I don't think I have ever expressed any anti-American sentiment in any post nor indeed do I feel any - far from it.

I am perfectly aware of your first fact. I think Ireland is possibly second in this league. Your next statement is an opinion and somewhat more controversial.

On your third point:

"Si les Ricains n'etaient pas la,
Nous serions tous en Germany,
A parler de je ne sais quoi,
A saluer je ne sais qui"
You'll get no argument from me on this score.

For those who are not familiar with the word "Ricains" it is short for Americans and is the affectionate French equivalent of Yanks.

PS I CAN speak German.
01/23/08 @ 11:38
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Wendy,

I am also mystified as to how Oui came to such a conclusion.

As to his contention that German would be the language of chose in Great Britain had not the Yanks come to the aid of the UK, that point is moot, but I am skeptical of that premise.

As formidable as the German war machine was at that time, their high command was loathe to attempt an armed invasion of the British Isles. They apparently wanted no part of a prolonged battle for the UK or the drain in manpower a n occupation would require. Since such an invasion never came to fruition, that is the only reasonable assumption to which I could come
01/23/08 @ 12:11
Comment from: Wendy (UK) [Visitor]
Thanks for the reassurance, Alex; I have been re-reading my posts - perhaps Oui thought I was comparing US unfavourably in some way to UK - although that was not my intent. Same education problems, same social problems. Perhaps he might help me out here?

Let's just say w/o the food, financial aid, (which we have only just repaid!) and shipping coverage from America we would most likely not have survived. I also don't think that Germany could have afforded NOT to have invaded us even at some later point, so I am not going to argue with his overall premise. He also may not realise that that although we weren't actually invaded, I still have family and neighbours who lived through those dreadful days, not only the terror of the bombing raids and the loved ones lost, but also the years of rationing and deprivation which followed. Let's not go there any more.

I think I'll go and have a stiff drink (oh and drink a toast to said Yanks).

01/23/08 @ 13:34
Comment from: Oui Oui Oui [Visitor] Email
Wendy,

I am just making a general statement that America is not getting the fair shake in the world court of opinion these days despite all the good it has done to the world as we know today. By no means was it a rebuttal towards your points.

Of course, we French people have a lot to be thankful of the Americans.
01/23/08 @ 14:28
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Oui,

I agree with you, of course. Although I often lament the decline in our culture, America is unfairly maligned around the world. Ironically but not surprisingly, we are castigated for our virtues while our vices are embraced. In other words, we're labeled imperialistic for trying to thwart tyranny, but, at the same time, the world deeply imbibes the cultural effluent disgorged by Hollywood.
01/23/08 @ 15:52
Comment from: Wendy (UK) [Visitor]
Oui, had you said "Without America, the French would have been speaking German nowadays" originally, I would not have assumed your observations were directed at me personally. However, I don't doubt your sincerity.

America is the richest and most powerful nation in the world - hence it will attract envy and resentment. If I do have criticisms of the US, they are the same criticisms I have of the UK. However, I think I am slightly more realistic than you as to why our individual or joint interventions in world affairs are not always greeted with undiluted joy.
01/24/08 @ 08:47
Comment from: Oui Oui Oui [Visitor] Email
Wendy,

I totally understand what you are saying with respect to your last sentence. After all, we don't live in a black and white world. There are always bad accompanying the good.
01/25/08 @ 07:41
Comment from: Wendy (UK) [Visitor]
Oui - very true.

Hope you are watching & enjoying the Buick?
01/25/08 @ 15:58

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