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Comment from: Martha Burk [Visitor]
Thanks for telling it like it is. We have always said it's a bigger issue than Augusta National, it's about how women are viewed and leaders taking the position that we are second class citizens.
05/09/06 @ 09:55
Comment from: golfscribe [Visitor]
William -

To include the graphic - and horrendous - news items with your blog entry was ludicrous. They don't belong in the same discussion; they aren't even in the same ballpark. The bottomline is this: Augusta National has every right to hold the position it does. Period. They are not beholden to justify that position to anyone save their membership.

And I believe that portraying Mr. Payne's response as "smug and petulant" is a gross mis-charcterization. He is simply stating the truth as he sees it: that Ms. Burk and the organization she formerly represented have an opinion (to which they are, of course, fully entitled); that Ms. Burk has made that opinion clear; and that the club holds a differing opinion. Therefore, he sees no point in discussing the matter further.

Where is the problem?
05/09/06 @ 12:43
Comment from: Bob Dobbs [Visitor]
Billy Payne's stupidity reinforces the stereotype of the game as sexist, racist and elitist. That's a huge disservice to the thousands of golf course operators that provide a place to play the game and DON'T require you to be a rich a..hole to do it, as does Augusta National. We NEED women to play golf, as well as people of all colors, and the ignorant good old boys who run Augusta National are a huge hinderance to achieving that goal.
05/09/06 @ 12:51
Comment from: Bob Dobbs [Visitor]
The real problem with the game, oh smug golfscribe, is the lack of support from golf's elitist institutions (Augusta National, PGA TOUR, USGA) for REAL growth of the game initiatives. (The PGA of America being the notable exception). Those of us who teach the game's egalitarian traditions and struggle to maintain a business that allows ANYONE to play the game at a reasonable rate are done irreperable harm by bigots like Billy Pane and his ilk.
Yes, the rich in America can do what they like, but do they have to be such insufferable scumbags about shoving their bourgeoise entitlements down regular human's throats?
Since the game seems so onerous to you, scribe, why DO you play it, and more immediately, why do you post here?
05/09/06 @ 15:21
Comment from: golfscribe [Visitor]
Bob -

As you are almost certainly aware, the First Tee is the primary vehicle for growing the game. There's also Golf 20/20, Play Golf America, and others, but the First Tee is the primary program.

It is supported by almost every major manufacturer and every golf organization, including the USGA, the PGA of America, the LPGA, THE PGA TOUR and Augusta National. In fact, the Masters has given more than $9 million to the First Tee since 1998 - including $1 million this year. The PGA Tour has also donated many millions to the First Tee; while I can't confirm this at the moment, the Tour is, in all likelihood, the top supporter of the First Tee.

That sure doesn't sound like "a lack of support from golf's elitist institutions."
05/09/06 @ 16:41
Comment from: golfscribe [Visitor]
And BTW, I am NOT smug. Sarcastic, yes, and perhaps even droll, but NEVER smug.
05/09/06 @ 16:43
Comment from: Bob Dobbs [Visitor]
The First Tee is a real estate and charity deduction scam for the TOUR and its sponsors. While they have made a huge deal about building these facilities, the REAL impact of FT is minimal on actually growing the game. Play Golf America, on the other hand, is an effective, co-ordinated program that has had a significant effect on getting real people and families out to courses and actually playing golf. As I said, the PGA of America is the only national organization doing something real for the game, not just for cynical public relations.
05/10/06 @ 08:24
Comment from: golfscribe [Visitor]
I disagree - but your argument was well put.
05/10/06 @ 11:33
Comment from: ToddCommish [Visitor]
"Play Golf America, on the other hand, is an effective, co-ordinated program that has had a significant effect on getting real people and families out to courses and actually playing golf."

Oooh, so rich people aren't "real" now? Hmmm, someone sounds like he's been reading too much Marx in his spare time...
05/10/06 @ 12:46
Comment from: Bob Dobbs [Visitor]
The rich ensconsce themselves in gated communities and private clubs. Those of us who are attempting to keep quality daily fee courses running to give everyone the opportunity to play the world's most egalitarian sport market to the much larger market of "real" people. As a struggling but practicing capitalist, todd's churlish and typical right wing smear of "Marxism" is a weak argument and disgusting personal affront. This is the kind of elitist attitude that is limiting the growth of the game and the futures of "real" enterprenuristic golf operators (the "real" backbone of the American economy).
05/11/06 @ 11:12
Comment from: ToddCommish [Visitor]
Oooh, Dobbsie has been pontificating on the Berkeley street corners again... Two major flaws in your "Essay on Egalitarianism in the Age of Bourgeoisie"

1. Since when is golf the "world's most egalitarian sport"? I thought it was soccer [futbol] which is certainly played by more people worldwide, and certainly played by more of the proletariat.

2. The false assumption that "limiting the growth of the game" is a bad thing and that egalitarianism is the better path. Why? This is an unsupported tenet on which to base your argument. It's entirely possible that the excluded class has no ambition to join the country clubbers. It's also possible that they are better off without the accoutrements of wealth. Your misplaced hostility is evidence that YOU want it, but you should place your inferiority complex on the rest of the unwashed masses. [Oh, and I will cop to being "churlish" and "elitist", though not "right wing"]

And if you've seen "Good Will Hunting", I would guess that you're the guy in the bar that Matt Damon humiliates while he's spouting platitudes about colonial economies.
05/11/06 @ 11:46
Comment from: Bob Dobbs [Visitor]
Todd, don't show up at my course.
05/12/06 @ 08:38

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