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Comment from: John D [Visitor]
I can't think of anything EXCEPTIONAL about a LOSER.
2006-01-20 @ 07:48
Comment from: Asia_Guy [Visitor]
The writer's ultimate savior, Michelle Wie. On a slow Newsday post a little tidbit about Michelle to bump up the readership.

When one looks at the amount of press and other publicity Michelle receives including at TravelGolf, you come to realize what power she has in the public eye. A remarkable achievement for a 16 year old in any profession.
2006-01-20 @ 08:43
Comment from: Sheryl [Visitor]

What have you done with your life when you were 16
John D ??

You probably already dropped out of high school by then...
2006-01-20 @ 08:57
Comment from: Jason [Visitor]
John D--

Don't take it out on Michelle just because your parents called YOU a loser when you were younger.

Heck , they probably call you that now.

Hmmm, who's the bigger loser ?

A grown man calling a 16 year old girl a loser ??

Or that 16 year old girl that has 7 Top 10 finishes on the LPGA tour (3 in the Top 3) with 10 million dollars in endorsements ???

That's a tough one...
2006-01-20 @ 09:02
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
Now, there's a chain gang I'd like to be on .........
2006-01-20 @ 11:24
Comment from: Asia_Guy [Visitor]
Well by the very definition John D is right when calling Michelle a:

los·er (plural los·ers)

noun
Definitions:

1. somebody who has not won: a person or team that has failed to win a specific contest

2. somebody put at disadvantage: a person or thing adversely affected by a situation or course of action
If this measure goes through, the real losers will be college-leavers.

3. somebody unsuccessful or unlucky: an unsuccessful or unlucky person who seems destined to fail repeatedly ( informal insult )

4. social misfit: a socially maladjusted person ( informal insult )

I could go along with John D on the first definition of a loser for Michelle and the fourth definition of loser applying to himself and the rest of the Anti-Wie, Anti-Female Jackboots.

2006-01-20 @ 12:50
Comment from: Asia_Guy [Visitor]
Of course Michelle is young and will shed the loser image eventually. Unfortunately for him, John D is destined to wear his moniker of “Loser” for the rest of his life.
2006-01-20 @ 12:54
Comment from: Blazer [Visitor]
There is little doubt MW will win. It's more when she will win.

IMO if she hasn't won at least 1 LPGA major by 18 she would be viewed as an overhyped, marketing creation.
2006-01-20 @ 14:39
Comment from: John D [Visitor]
"L" is for the "L"ack of wins,
"O" is what the 'Wie-nie Wie-ners' mumble, when Wie misses the cut.
"S" is for the "S"loppy puts,
"E" is for "E"xceptional LOSING streak she has,
"R" is for the "R"idiculous ways her fans try to distort the truth.

LOESR spells "NO WIN WIE"
2006-01-20 @ 18:34
Comment from: John [Visitor]
John D.
Your description of a "LOESR"[sic] also describes the 2005 performance of Davis Love III: 24 PGA Tournaments entered, WINS = 0.

Therefore, by your yardstick he was a L-O-S-E-R.

He does however rank 5th on the 2005 list of Top 10 Finishers. And the Top 10 Finishers list is the list the PGA chooses to rank, not the number of tournaments won.

Also, he was 13th on the Money List and 19th on the World Golf Rankings for 2005.

Which seems to indicate that some people would call him a
W - World Class Golfer
I - Internationally Recognized
N - Name in Professional Golf
N - Not To Be Taken Lightly
E - Enviable Money Maker
R - Reliable Competitor

But they would be wrong of course since he didn't win a single tournament.

2006-01-20 @ 20:33
Comment from: Jim COULTHARD [Visitor]
Asia Guy

Don't let John D get to you. He's probably just trying to get our goat.

2006-01-20 @ 21:57
Comment from: Asia_Guy [Visitor]
"Comment from: Jim COULTHARD [Visitor]
Asia Guy

Don't let John D get to you. He's probably just trying to get our goat."

Why would I let a neophyte golf expert get to me Jim? If he has a teenager of his own, his spirit must be broken each time they don't achieve the high standards he sets. Attacking a teenager like Michelle Wie is just a way to deflect his own shortcomings in life.

Get to me? Why would I let a pimple on the ass of humanity such as John D get to me? You just pop it, push out the pus and let it go away after a little pain.


2006-01-21 @ 02:47
Comment from: John D [Visitor]
Just printing the truth,

And Asia-Guy... I wouldn't let you lick the sweat off my balls if you were dying of thirst in the middle of the Mohave Desert.

No Win Wie
2006-01-21 @ 06:23
Comment from: Under Par [Visitor]
The following cannot be over-emphasized:

There are plenty of 16-year-olds who are more accomplished in the golf world than Wie. The difference between those players and her is that she's a girl.
2006-01-21 @ 10:40
Comment from: Jim COULTHARD [Visitor]
Under Paris saying that Wie is the MOST ACCOMPLISHED 16 year old girl in the world of golf. I doubt that there are PLENTY of 16 year old boys who are better, but there might be a few.
2006-01-21 @ 12:22
Comment from: Under Par [Visitor]
C'mon, there are at least a few, if not a dozen. There are boys who have actually won BOYS' tournaments in the amateur ranks, unlike Bubbles, who never won a major girls' amateur event.
2006-01-21 @ 19:26
Comment from: Asia_Guy [Visitor]
"Comment from: Under Par [Visitor]
C'mon, there are at least a few, if not a dozen. There are boys who have actually won BOYS' tournaments in the amateur ranks, unlike Bubbles, who never won a major girls' amateur event."

"In 2003, Wie became the youngest-ever winner of the U.S. Women's Amateur Public Links."

She just decided to whip the big amateur girls instead of beating up on the little amateur girls u_p.
2006-01-21 @ 20:23
Comment from: Asia_Guy [Visitor]
Just so the Jackboots have their Wie facts straight, here is her golfing bio from About.com:
Accomplishments through the Years for Michelle Wie
Check out the accomplishments over the years by Michelle Wie and you'll be even more impressed with her. We'll be updating this timeline over the months and years (probably many, many years) to come as Wie grows up - and as her golf game grows ever better.

1989
• Born to parents B.J. and Bo in Honolulu. Middle name is "Sung." (Hey, it's our timeline, we can call "being born" an accomplishment if we want to!)

1994
• Begins playing golf at the age of four.

1996
• At age 7, plays her first 18-hole round and finishes 14-over par.

2000
• At the age of 10, shoots a 64.
• Becomes the youngest player to qualify in a USGA amateur championship event at the USGA Women's Amateur Public Links Championship.

2001
• Wins the Hawaii State Women’s Stroke Play Championship. At age 11, Wie is the event's youngest winner.
• Wins the Jennie K. Wilson Invitational, the most prestigious women's amateur tournament in Hawaii. At age 11, Wie is the event's youngest winner.
• Reaches the third round of match play in the U.S. Women's Amateur Public Links Championship.

2002
• At age 12, becomes the youngest player ever to qualify for an LPGA tournament by Monday qualifying (with an 83) for the LPGA Takefuji Classic.
• Wins the Women's Division of the Hawaii State Open by 13 strokes.
• Reaches the semifinals of the U.S. Women's Amateur Public Links Championship, the youngest semifinalist in the event's history.

2003
• January: Attempts to Monday qualify for the PGA Sony Open. Shoots 73, finishes 47th out of 97. She played from the men's tees and all other competitors were men.
• February: Playing in the Hawaii Pearl Open, a pro tournament that includes players from the Japan Tour, places 43rd. Wie is the only female in the field.
• March: Finishes in a fourth-place tie at the Hawaii State Amateur Stroke Play Championship as one of only three women in the field.
• March: Plays in her first LPGA major, the Kraft Nabisco Championship. Plays in the final group on the final day befor settling for 9th place. Becomes the youngest player to make an LPGA cut.
• June: Wins the U.S. Women's Amateur Public Links Championship, one of the USGA's national championships. At age 13, Wie is the youngest-ever winner of the event.
• August: Shoots 74-79 and misses the cut by five strokes in the Canadian Tour's Bay Mills Open Players' Championship - her first professional men's event in the mainland U.S.
• September: As the only female in the field at the Nationwide Tour's Albertsons Boise Open, Wie shoots 78-76 and misses the cut. She turns 14 in a month.
• September: Wie finishes her final LPGA event of the year, the Safeway Classic, at 2-under par, tied for 28th place. She shoots 69-72-73 for a 214 total. It is the fifth time in six LPGA events in 2003 that she makes the cut.

2004
• January: Plays in her first PGA Tour event, the Sony Open, and shoots 72-68. She misses the cut by one stroke.
• March: Finishes in the Top 25 in her first LPGA event of the year, the Safeway International, then finishes 4th in the first LPGA major of the year, the Kraft Nabisco Championship.
• June: As a member of the U.S. team, is the youngest golfer in the history of the Curtis Cup. Wins both her singles matches to help the U.S. defeat Great Britain & Ireland, 10-8.
• June: Playing in a qualifier for the U.S. Amateur Public Links Championship (a k a, the Men's Publinx), Michelle Wie shoots 71-71--142. She finishes two strokes behind the winners and, while she fails to earn a bid to the Men's Publinx, she earns status as one of four alternates for the event.

2005
• January: Shoots 75-74 at the PGA Tour Sony Open and misses the cut. Finishes ahead of 14 PGA Tour players.
• February: Earns her highest finish to date in an LPGA event, tied for second, at the SBS Open at Turtle Bay.
• May: Finishes as third alternate in U.S. Open sectional qualifying. Wie is believed to be the first female ever to enter a U.S. Open qualifier.
• June: Places second to Annika Sorenstam at the LPGA Championship, tying her best finish to date in an LPGA event and marking her best finish to date in an LPGA major.
• June: Is the third-round leader at the U.S. Women's Open, but stumbles to an 82 in the final round.
• July: Shoots 70-71 (1-under par) at the PGA Tour John Deere Classic, missing the cut by two strokes.
• July: Wie reaches the quarterfinals of the (traditionally men's) U.S. Amateur Public Links Championship before bowing out.
• October: Just a few days before her 16th birthday, Wie announces she is turning professional.
• October: In her first pro start, Wie finishes fourth at the Samsung World Championship, only to be disqualified for an improper drop.
• November: Shoots 73-75 in Casio World Open on the Japanese men's tour, misses cut by 1
2006
• January: Shoots 79-68 in PGA Tour Sony Open, misses cut.

http://golf.about.com/cs/womensgolf/a/wietimeline.htm

2006-01-21 @ 20:35
Comment from: Asia_Guy [Visitor]
They did overlook some events in 2005 like her second place finish behind Paula at the Evian Masters and her third place finish ahead of Paula at the Weetabix Women's British Open.
2006-01-21 @ 20:45
Comment from: Asia_Guy [Visitor]
Give me a break guys. Accept the fact this youngster has some serious game.
2006-01-21 @ 20:47
Comment from: Asia_Guy [Visitor]
Her best chance to silence the Jackboots forever comes in February.

It appears Michelle Wie will play in both the SBS and Fields LPGA events in Hawaii. At last years SBS she tied for 2nd place two shots out of first place. Jenny Rosales won after posting a first round of her life a 65 and hung on to win the only event she won in 2005.

Michelle posted three sub-par rounds of seventy for a –6 overall. Paula Creamer tied for 40th place in the same event, so Michelle did well on her home turf.

This year a new event the Fields Open gives Michelle an edge and makes her the favorite going into the match. The Fields is being played on her home course of Ko Olina where she has played countless practice rounds over the years. The only adjustment Michelle will make is to start her practice rounds (before the event) from the ladies tees. She has posted some really low scores from the men’s tees in the past and now she will have to drop down a club or two for her second shots to compete in a LPGA event.

No other player will have, as many rounds on this course as Michelle before the Fields Open (a new event) and the other tour players have not played the course much, if at all.

This brings up a curious situation for the LPGA if the breaks go her way and Michelle wins one or both of these events held on her home turf. Winning one event at 16 is newsworthy, but winning back-to-back LPGA events at 16 would be legendary. I wonder what accommodations the LPGA might make for Michelle, if they find themselves with a legend on their hands.

This is where the academic exemption might come into play, to allow her the ability to play as many events as possible and still attend high school or college. The Tour could not allow a legend to walk away from the LPGA and play with the boys.
2006-01-21 @ 21:00
Comment from: Jim COULTHARD [Visitor]
Assuming she palyes in both events. As of now she is scheduled to play only the Fields--but The Wies are wishing they could play in a couple more LPGA events, and the LPGA might make arrangements to allow a couple of extra events, or the Wies might relent and play the SBS in any case.

2006-01-21 @ 22:05
Comment from: Under Par [Visitor]
Asia,

She won't silence me because my criticism has nothing to do with that. I think she has a very good chance of winning an LPGA event this year.

You obviously haven't been paying attention.
2006-01-21 @ 22:09
Comment from: Asia_Guy [Visitor]
Wie says she won't play in Orlando
The teen star declines an invitation to the new LPGA event at Reunion Resort.

Steve Elling | Sentinel Staff Writer
Posted January 20, 2006

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/golf/orl-wie2006jan20,0,1295658.story?coll=orl-sports-headlines-golf

This time around, anyway, Michelle Wie won't be making the commute to Orlando from her native Hawaii.

Despite attempts from tournament officials to woo the biggest rising star in golf, Wie turned down a sponsor invitation to play in the inaugural LPGA Ginn Open in April.

It comes down to simple accounting. Wie, 16, isn't a member of the LPGA and can accept only six sponsor exemptions per year into regular events, not counting the major championships. Ginn officials received an e-mail from her father, B.J. Wie, sending his regrets.

Instead, Wie told tournament representatives that his daughter plans to play in both of the LPGA events in Hawaii next month, the SBS Open at Turtle Bay and the Fields Open.

"She wants to support her local tournaments," Ginn spokesman Ryan Julison said. "We're disappointed, but we understand."

I think Michelle is playing in both.
2006-01-21 @ 23:59
Comment from: Asia_Guy [Visitor]
"Comment from: Under Par [Visitor]
Asia,

She won't silence me because my criticism has nothing to do with that. I think she has a very good chance of winning an LPGA event this year.

You obviously haven't been paying attention."

You may be right u_p about the PGA Tour and Michelle. To me the jury is still out if she can someday be competative on the tour.

She has pulled off a couple of 68s on PGA setup courses and many times on the tour that is a winning score if someone puts together four rounds with that same result.

Can she do it and compete? It is way to early to tell.

Once she gets over the hump of winning an LPGA event a watershed may open up for her. The truth of the matter is exactly what BJ Wie and Ledbetter say; it is difficult to get in a rythym just playing in 12 competitions a year.

There were a few reasons Michelle didn't play in many Junior Golf tournaments:

The quality of the competition compared to playing with adults.

She likes living in Hawaii and the expense of going to Junior events is quite high and many have sectional or regional qualifying tournaments.

She was hitting her seven wood over the greens from the junior tees.

The buffet is better at the pro events and she can hang out with Golf Royalty. When was the last time Ernie Els gave you golf tips u_p? Or called you at all?

The best answer and most understanding for me came from one of Michelle's friends; "Michelle was afraid of disturbing the other junior players in the field with all the press and a large gallery following her around at any event she entered".


2006-01-22 @ 01:23
Comment from: Under Par [Visitor]
That's the best spin anyway. I don't believe it for a second.
2006-01-22 @ 11:12
Comment from: Jim COULTHARD [Visitor]
If Michelle Wie wins on the LPGA--wouldn't she be eligible for immediate membership, except for her age? And wasn't the age requirement waived for Morgan Pressel? It looks like the Wies would like to focus on the LPGA for now to build up a record of wins before playing a lot of men's events. She might play a lot of LPGA events this year--and she might not be troubled by teh two competing event rule on the LPGA for now, at least.

2006-01-22 @ 12:00
Comment from: jackson [Visitor]
B.J. Wie was afraid of his daughter losing to her peers in high level junior and amateur golf, period. Put quite simply, it was not good from a marketing standpoint. when you have positioned yourself as the youngest and best, it does not look good to lose to another bona fide junior, as Michelle did in the Women's Amateur when she lost to a 15-year old. That was quickly the end of that route--It was straight on to playing against the pros where she would be hailed regardless of her results, because of her age and inexperience---Losing to the pros, both women and men was always a more suitable path for the Wies. They get praise for her trailblazing and take minimal lumps becuase who could argure that a teen girl should really beat the top pros. Her career path was 100% for marketing purposes and who could argue with the results, financially that is.
2006-01-22 @ 13:17
Comment from: Asia_Guy [Visitor]
"Comment from: Jim COULTHARD [Visitor]
If Michelle Wie wins on the LPGA--wouldn't she be eligible for immediate membership, except for her age? And wasn't the age requirement waived for Morgan Pressel? It looks like the Wies would like to focus on the LPGA for now to build up a record of wins before playing a lot of men's events. She might play a lot of LPGA events this year--and she might not be troubled by teh two competing event rule on the LPGA for now, at least."

That is true Jim by winning she would earn a tour card and upon accepting membership (if offered) be obligated to the LPGA rules for members.

When a golfer joins the LPGA tour as a "member" they commit to play the minimum # of tour events (20) and are restricted from playing more than four events (with LPGA permission) outside their tour. To tell you the truth Jim, Michelle may not want these restrictions imposed on her for two obvious reasons.

The first reason is she will have to drop out of high school and forget about attending college full time.

A second reason would be she would give up millions of dollars a year in appearance fees in Asia for entering men's events. Events that would also allow her to test her skill and prepare her in her quest to become a PGA member. With some success in Asia she could earn her KPGA or JPGA tour card and possibly make into the top 50 on the world money list. This would earn her a ticket to Augusta.

Asia is the fastest growing golf market and she is learning three Asian languages. Michelle is already a Golf Goddess in Asia without a Professional Win to her credit. With one or two LPGA wins under her belt the possibilities become endless. Michelle could play a full men’s tour in Asia and still play in the LPGA majors.

Traveling by private jet to Asia is about the same as flying to Orlando from Hawaii.

2006-01-22 @ 13:31
Comment from: Asia_Guy [Visitor]
One more note Jim. Nike and Sony hired Michelle for her worldwide appeal and their largest potential customer base is in Asia where everyone knows who Michelle Wie is and follows her every move.

Soon commercials with her speaking English, Chinese, Korean or Japanese will be developed and shown to the largest sports gear or electronics markets on the planet.

The money Nike and Sony invested will be returned ten thousand fold when she hits the Asian markets.
2006-01-22 @ 13:46
Comment from: Asia_Guy [Visitor]
"Comment from: jackson [Visitor]
B.J. Wie was afraid of his daughter losing to her peers in high level junior and amateur golf, period. Put quite simply, it was not good from a marketing standpoint. when you have positioned yourself as the youngest and best, it does not look good to lose to another bona fide junior, as Michelle did in the Women's Amateur when she lost to a 15-year old. That was quickly the end of that route--It was straight on to playing against the pros where she would be hailed regardless of her results, because of her age and inexperience---Losing to the pros, both women and men was always a more suitable path for the Wies. They get praise for her trailblazing and take minimal lumps becuase who could argure that a teen girl should really beat the top pros. Her career path was 100% for marketing purposes and who could argue with the results, financially that is."

I was trying to figure out who this mysterious 15 year old is Action?

Was that in 2000
• At the age of 10, shoots a 64.
• Becomes the youngest player to qualify in a USGA amateur championship event at the USGA Women's Amateur Public Links Championship.

Or maybe it was in 2001
• Wins the Hawaii State Women’s Stroke Play Championship. At age 11, Wie is the event's youngest winner.
• Wins the Jennie K. Wilson Invitational, the most prestigious women's amateur tournament in Hawaii. At age 11, Wie is the event's youngest winner.
• Reaches the third round of match play in the U.S. Women's Amateur Public Links Championship.

It had to be in 2002
• At age 12, becomes the youngest player ever to qualify for an LPGA tournament by Monday qualifying (with an 83) for the LPGA Takefuji Classic.
• Wins the Women's Division of the Hawaii State Open by 13 strokes.
• Reaches the semifinals of the U.S. Women's Amateur Public Links Championship, the youngest semifinalist in the event's history.

No? Then quite possibly it was in 2003
• February: Playing in the Hawaii Pearl Open, a pro tournament that includes players from the Japan Tour, places 43rd. Wie is the only female in the field.
• March: Finishes in a fourth-place tie at the Hawaii State Amateur Stroke Play Championship as one of only three women in the field.
• March: Plays in her first LPGA major, the Kraft Nabisco Championship. Plays in the final group on the final day befor settling for 9th place. Becomes the youngest player to make an LPGA cut.
• June: Wins the U.S. Women's Amateur Public Links Championship, one of the USGA's national championships. At age 13, Wie is the youngest-ever winner of the event.
• September: Wie finishes her final LPGA event of the year, the Safeway Classic, at 2-under par, tied for 28th place. She shoots 69-72-73 for a 214 total. It is the fifth time in six LPGA events in 2003 that she makes the cut.

Ok Action Jackson it just has to be 2004
• March: Finishes in the Top 25 in her first LPGA event of the year, the Safeway International, then finishes 4th in the first LPGA major of the year, the Kraft Nabisco Championship.
• June: As a member of the U.S. team, is the youngest golfer in the history of the Curtis Cup. Wins both her singles matches to help the U.S. defeat Great Britain & Ireland, 10-8.
• June: Playing in a qualifier for the U.S. Amateur Public Links Championship (a k a, the Men's Publinx), Michelle Wie shoots 71-71--142. She finishes two strokes behind the winners and, while she fails to earn a bid to the Men's Publinx, she earns status as one of four alternates for the event.

OK Action quit fooling around it must be 2005 when that fifteen year old girl beat her and BJ pulled her from the Juniors
• February: Earns her highest finish to date in an LPGA event, tied for second, at the SBS Open at Turtle Bay.
• May: Finishes as third alternate in U.S. Open sectional qualifying. Wie is believed to be the first female ever to enter a U.S. Open qualifier.
• June: Places second to Annika Sorenstam at the LPGA Championship, tying her best finish to date in an LPGA event and marking her best finish to date in an LPGA major.
• June: Is the third-round leader at the U.S. Women's Open, but stumbles to an 82 in the final round.
• July: Shoots 70-71 (1-under par) at the PGA Tour John Deere Classic, missing the cut by two strokes. Places 2nd with a score of -7 at the Evian Masters, a European major event. Finishes 3rd with a score of -10 at the Weetabix Women's British Open another European tour major event.
• July: Wie reaches the quarterfinals of the (traditionally men's) U.S. Amateur Public Links Championship before bowing out.

Where do you come up with this stuff Jackson? From the New York Times or what?

Read the events above and you can plainly see that Michelle played in some pretty rugged Amateur Events right up until turning pro. She didn't duck the competition, unless you consider the U.S. Amateur Public Links Championship players some of her weaker competition.

I think your unnamed 15-year-old girl is out playing pocket pool with Under Par's unnamed sixteen-year-old boy.
2006-01-23 @ 02:31
Comment from: jackson [Visitor]
resorting to Michelle's heavily edited bio impresses nobody, but the sad Wie fanactics who you associate yourself with. Naming Hawaii junior golf events as milestone victories, and made up scores from when she was 10 is pathetic. The barometer for Junior golf and Amateur golf are AJGA events and USGA amateur events and with the exception of the Women's Pub Linx the weakest of them all she has failed/lost in her attempts and has consciously moved forward to compete against pros, which she has done very well, albeit without yet collecting a win. My point is this Michelle is a marketing phenom at this point, she is being paid on potential. She does not have the results to match the money or the praise. One day I believe she will, but not yet and you throwing the Jennie Wilson event out there is not going to change that, oh by the way wasn't that event just won by another 12 year-old. That must be one hell of a good tournament. Go back to your dinghy--
2006-01-23 @ 10:51
Comment from: Under Par [Visitor]
Jackson is right. We're talking about her performances against her PEERS and her reluctance to play against them for fear of being shown up. Your post was a very long, tedious non-sequitur.
2006-01-23 @ 16:05
Comment from: jon [Visitor]
Isn't it funny how a spindly 16 year school girl can stir up so much heated debate around the world? There must be some genuine interest and drama to it. Otherwise, her 15 minutes surely can't continue to last. It has been going on for years now and no sign of abating anytime soon. It may go on for years to come. What is it about this story that refuses to go away? If a 'hype" lasts for years and years, is it still just a "hype"? Some people seem to know exactly what Wie's potentials are and made up their minds already. I am not one of them. My fascination with her is first and foremost her amazing "swing." It is simply beyond me how a 16 year girl can possess such a potent and seemingly flawless swing. Second, we may be on the cusp of seeing a history being made. There is a genuine mystery as to how far she can take her golf game. Anyone who decalres that he knows how far Wie can take her game is not really credible. I don't think even Wie herself know it.
2006-01-23 @ 20:00
Comment from: Asia_Guy [Visitor]
Comment from: Under Par [Visitor]
Jackson is right. We're talking about her performances against her PEERS and her reluctance to play against them for fear of being shown up. Your post was a very long, tedious non-sequitur.

So let me get this straight if she plays in Amateur tournaments she is playing against her Peers?

So when she took second place at the LPGA Championship (a Major)she really should have been playing Junior Golf.

Or maybe the tie for 3rd place at the Weetabix Women's British Open (a Major) was a mistake on her part for not playing against her Junior peers. Other fifteen year olds.

And the week before that when she took second place at the Evian Masters she really should have been playing in some Junior event in California to gain some experience and to not duck the competition.

Hell man she is already playing with her Peers and has been doing so since she was thirteen years old. There are women with fifteen or more years playing on the LPGA tour that would love to have Michelle's results for 2003, 2004 or 2005.

Are you guys sharing a crack pipe?




2006-01-24 @ 05:20
Comment from: Asia_Guy [Visitor]
Here is another tedious post for you guys. These are the women that did not have the results Michelle did in 2005 on the money list. Do you recognize any of the names? I can see a few Hall of fame Members in the mix.

16 Heather Bowie $677,425.00
17 Wendy Ward $675,129.00
18 Pat Hurst $634,389.00
19 Christina Kim $621,149.00
20 Rosie Jones $615,499.00
21 Carin Koch $612,036.00
22 Liselotte Neumann $607,474.00
23 Mi Hyun Kim $584,367.00
24 Juli Inkster $579,240.00
25 Michele Redman $540,167.00
26 Jennifer Rosales $514,279.00
27 Karrie Webb $500,268.00
28 Sophie Gustafson $484,839.00
29 Young Kim $470,926.00
30 Karine Icher $451,981.00
31 Laura Davies $434,589.00
32 Nicole Perrot $386,257.00
33 Rachel Hetherington $383,115.00
34 Grace Park $368,581.00
35 Jill McGill $364,340.00
36 Shi Hyun Ahn $354,219.00
37 Stacy Prammanasudh $347,562.00
38 Laura Diaz $339,865.00
39 Jimin Kang $333,661.00
40 Leta Lindley $328,516.00
41 Karen Stupples $304,385.00
42 Moira Dunn $291,607.00
43 Sung Ah Yim $287,731.00
44 Angela Stanford $272,288.00
45 Kim Saiki $262,482.00
46 Dorothy Delasin $260,406.00
47 Young Jo $257,777.00
48 Tina Barrett $253,484.00
49 Beth Daniel $252,693.00
50 Joo Mi Kim $246,280.00
51 Maria Hjorth $242,371.00
52 Meg Mallon $214,732.00
53 Il Mi Chung $213,195.00
54 Sherri Steinhauer $203,456.00
55 Katherine Hull $201,676.00
56 Emilee Klein $199,077.00
57 Janice Moodie $197,273.00
58 Silvia Cavalleri $196,098.00
59 Aree Song $195,145.00
60 Wendy Doolan $185,674.00
61 A.J. Eathorne $163,518.00
62 Reilley Rankin $154,783.00
63 Johanna Head $148,633.00
64 Beth Bader $147,720.00
65 Lindsey Wright $146,307.00
66 Heather Daly-Donofrio $138,513.00
67 Helen Alfredsson $135,729.00
68 Jamie Hullett $132,516.00
69 Candy Hannemann $132,312.00
70 Becky Morgan $129,681.00
71 Nancy Scranton $128,808.00
72 Brittany Lincicome $127,452.00
73 Michelle Estill $120,443.00
74 Marcy Hart $116,260.00
75 Joanne Morley $113,559.00
76 Kris Tschetter $112,513.00
77 Diana D'Alessio $111,028.00
78 Jean Bartholomew $109,640.00
79 Michelle Ellis $108,445.00
80 Emily Bastel $106,491.00
81 Dawn Coe-Jones $102,418.00
82 Amy Hung $101,533.00
83 Giulia Sergas $94,756.00
84 Brandie Burton $93,400.00
85 Kim Williams $91,898.00
86 Laurie Rinker $90,501.00
87 Miriam Nagl $89,905.00
88 Nadina Taylor $87,857.00
89 Patricia Baxter-Johnson $85,974.00
90 Siew-Ai Lim $81,946.00
91 Stephanie Louden $81,469.00
92 Suzann Pettersen $81,224.00
93 Sherri Turner $78,245.00
94 Sarah Lee $76,364.00
95 Mikaela Parmlid $73,490.00
96 Riko Higashio $72,756.00
97 Hilary Lunke $72,278.00
98 Catherine Cartwright $70,398.00
99 Soo Young Moon $65,016.00
100 Lee Ann Walker-Cooper $64,758.00
101 Yu Ping Lin $62,717.00
102 Se Ri Pak $62,628.00
103 Patricia Meunier-Lebouc $61,074.00
104 Jenna Daniels $59,638.00
105 Young-A Yang $59,502.00
106 Audra Burks $55,580.00
107 Charlotta Sorenstam $55,125.00
108 Tracy Hanson $52,924.00
109 Erica Blasberg $52,522.00
110 Beth Bauer $51,034.00
111 Kate Golden $49,895.00
112 Malinda Johnson $48,263.00
113 Nanci Bowen $47,777.00
114 Danielle Ammaccapane $47,747.00
115 Dina Ammaccapane $45,667.00
116 Karen Weiss $45,057.00
117 Kris Tamulis $43,964.00
118 Tina Fischer $43,866.00
119 Marilyn Lovander $42,817.00
120 Paula Marti $42,352.00
121 Eva Dahllof $40,667.00
122 Nicole Jeray $40,064.00
123 Nancy Harvey $39,144.00
124 Ji Yeon Lee $38,959.00
125 Shani Waugh $37,862.00
126 Joanne Mills $37,800.00
127 Kristi Albers $37,179.00
128 Carri Wood $35,047.00
129 Celeste Troche $34,829.00
130 Becky Iverson $34,184.00
131 Hana Kim $33,128.00
132 Leslie Spalding $33,063.00
133 Mardi Lunn $31,193.00
134 Sae-Hee Son $31,168.00
135 Kelli Kuehne $30,419.00
136 Stephanie Arricau $30,004.00
137 Mhairi McKay $29,671.00
138 Vicki Goetze-Ackerman $28,554.00
139 Seol-An Jeon $28,407.00
140 Kristen Samp $25,941.00
141 Laurel Kean $23,646.00
142 Denise Killeen $23,638.00
143 Angela Jerman $21,042.00
144 Luciana Bemvenuti $20,846.00
145 Deb Richard $19,490.00
146 Allison Hanna $19,134.00
147 Anna Acker-Macosko $19,127.00
148 Katie Allison $18,876.00
149 Pearl Sinn-Bonanni $16,889.00
150 Kathryn Marshall $15,551.00
151 Ashli Bunch $15,393.00
152 Bernadette Luse $15,120.00
153 Joellyn Erdmann-Crooks $14,617.00
154 Chris Johnson $13,761.00
155 Aram Cho $13,691.00
156 Jen Hanna $13,401.00
157 Beth Allen $13,399.00
158 Donna Andrews $12,777.00
159 Cathy Johnston-Forbes $12,661.00
160 Maggie Will $12,079.00
161 Jackie Gallagher-Smith $11,690.00
162 Janell Howland $11,499.00
163 Stephanie George $9,971.00
164 Brooke Tull $9,755.00
165 Angela Buzminski $8,829.00
166 Cindy Rarick $8,729.00
167 Minny Yeo $8,606.00
168 Naree Song $8,177.00
169 Vikki Laing $7,867.00
170 Suzanne Strudwick $7,765.00
171 Clarissa Childs $6,876.00
172 Isabelle Beisiegel $6,653.00
173 Barb Mucha $6,636.00
174 Angie Rizzo $6,503.00
175 Lara Tadiotto $6,446.00
176 Catrin Nilsmark $6,121.00
177 Pamela Kerrigan $5,872.00
178 Pat Bradley $4,986.00
179 Betsy King $4,817.00
180 Kelly Cap $4,722.00
181 Cindy Figg-Currier $4,649.00
182 Jan Stephenson $4,290.00
183 Diane Irvin $4,249.00
184 Susie Parry $4,014.00
185 Stacy Snider $3,909.00
186 Linda Ishii $3,126.00
187 Allison Finney $2,542.00
188 Tammie Green $2,436.00
189 Natalie Tucker $2,337.00
190 Jessica Reese $2,321.00
191 Kristal Parker-Manzo $2,175.00
192 Caryn Wilson $1,843.00

I think she did just fine against her Peers.

2006-01-24 @ 06:21
Comment from: trip [Visitor]
Asia Guy I understand what you are trying to say, but Michelle wasn't on the money list. Asia Guy, just out of curiosity you wouldn't happen to work for Sony would you? No, then when did they start the computers for the homeless program? You must have a lot of time on your hands to post so many times in such excruciating detail. Here's the deal, however misguided they may be wie critics have some strong arguments regarding the amount of money Wie recieves in relation to her results, the amount of hype she recieves in relation to her results and until she proves otherwise the amount of experience she has winning at any level and how it has affected her results. Now before you post her lifetime stats from the age of 2 again, understand what I mean when I say results, I mean wins. She's only 16 I know, but she has every advantage possible, from genetics to coaches, trainers, equipment and most importantly talent. All I hear all day long is how she has more potential and talent then any woman or man alive, so then why hasn't she won, when will she break through? Until she does all her near misses are just dissapointments.
2006-01-24 @ 10:21
Comment from: jackson [Visitor]
You can't have it both ways Asia Guy, although you probably try. One minute you are ripping the LPGA tour saying that these girls suck, then you are using it to detail just how great Michelle Wie is. You say she needs to move on to bigger challenges on the PGA tour when she has yet to win on the LPGA tour, no wonder you scoff at the idea of playing in amateur tournaments, what's the point of winning when you can be worshipped for coming in 2nd or 5th or 20th. Michlle Wie is good Asia Guy--Just not as good as you think she is. You want to know what I really think, I think she is a chocking dog, with no more killer instinct than a ladybug. I think and I think deep down you agree with me that she should have won by now with all talent and she should have made a cut in a men's event any event by now. She's not Tiger Woods, she's not Annika, hell, she is not even Paula Creamer. Be honest now would you want Michelle holding your fate in her hands and needing to make a 4-footer? When Michelle wins get back to me, until then save your Wie hype for some other sheep.
2006-01-24 @ 10:34
Comment from: Under Par [Visitor]
I agree, Jackson, but let's be precise here so we don't give the Wiemen an unjustifiable reason to gloat. Bubbles will win, and probably very soon. After all, with her talent and ability, you're going to register some wins. The question is will she ever succeed to a degree comensurate with her physical skills? Well, the answer is that thus far she hasn't demonstrated the necessary mental toughness.

The characteristics I'm talking about are much like those exhibited by Phil Mickelson. Sure, he finally won his major, but based on his skills you would have thought that he should have won a handful by now. And while he should probably end his career with 5-8 of them, it seems likely that the number will be two or three.

Likewise, Bubbles will have her successes, but thus far she has exhibited some psychological fragility.
2006-01-24 @ 13:54
Comment from: Asia_Guy [Visitor]
Comment from: trip [Visitor]

"Asia Guy I understand what you are trying to say, but Michelle wasn't on the money list. Asia Guy, just out of curiosity you wouldn't happen to work for Sony would you? No, then when did they start the computers for the homeless program?"

Well trip there are a couple of gals quite pleased that Michelle's numbers from 2005 did not count:

124 Ji Yeon Lee $38,959.00
125 Shani Waugh $37,862.00

I'm sure they thanked somebody.

As for Sony the last Sony product I bought trip, it was a Sony VAIO notebook that now rests at the bottom of the ocean off Hong Kong harbor my homeport. Have you ever skipped a notebook across the water? It is very stress relieving.

Good news tripper! I am no longer a homeless person as you say; I recently purchased my first home with a yard. It is located about 80 kilometers east of Hong Kong at a little complex my company provided construction management for called Mission Hills in China. After working on this project for two and a half years straight, I just knew it would be where I would retire one day. Every golfer needs to check this place out; it really is golf heaven. My vacation in Phuket is almost over and I will soon row the benetti back to her homeport and get back to work on three more projects needing the final touches near Shanghai.

That is why I have been quite verbose in my latest postings; my blogging time is nearly gone. I do apologize to the forum, but not for my effusive views on the future of Michelle.

Her talent is quite munificent and as a golf aficionado, I felt it as my duty to consecrate her immense talent and promote her effervescent future in the game I love.

It has been quite entertaining to spread turmoil and torment to the Soulless Sprites; the detractors who degrade her magnificent accomplishments as a teenager.

Now where did I stow those oars?
2006-01-24 @ 14:33
Comment from: Under Par [Visitor]
Asia,

I can give you a few ideas about where you can stow them . . .
2006-01-24 @ 20:25
Comment from: Sophie Fan [Visitor]
There is a great USA site with info on Sophie at http://www.sophiesandolo.net and one that carries Sophie's calendar and all of Natalie Gulbis' autographed items.
It's at http://www.itsalreadysigned4u.com
2006-01-25 @ 07:41
Comment from: Asia_Guy [Visitor]
"Comment from: Under Par [Visitor]
Asia,

I can give you a few ideas about where you can stow them . . ."

Thanks for the generous offer U_P, I'll take you up on that. Could you look around here and give me some ideas where to stow them?

http://seanergy.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?&units=Feet&checked_boats=1089098&slim=broker&&hosturl=seanergy&&ywo=seanergy&

I'm slightly tired of rowing around with this one and am looking to upsize.

If you're interested give Miles a call.

Good golfing my friend..........I'm outta here.
2006-01-25 @ 09:58
Comment from: Jim COULTHARD [Visitor]
Hey guys. Did you notice UNDER PAR comparing Michelle Wie to Phil Mickelson?




2006-01-25 @ 10:30
Comment from: stone [Visitor]
We may disagree on what the future holds for Michelle Wie, but I agree with your claim about Mission Hills. It is truly superb and may very well be one of the finest overall golf, resort and residential communities in the world. Congratulations, whatever your role may have been, you should be proud of your accomplishment. I am currently planning a trip to China, the bulk of which will be spent in Hong Kong. I will be there on behalf of the Economic Development Cabinet and can think of no better way to interact with our clients then on one of these spectacular golf courses. By the way like the Benetti, very nice. Take care, Asia Guy, I enjoyed the debate.
2006-01-25 @ 13:41
Comment from: John D [Visitor]
Money lists are all just a bunch of useless information, made up by some statistician, who wanted to make somebody look better than they really are. Year after year the size of the winner's check gets bigger, just due to inflation. It is unfair to compare a player from 30 years ago to a player of today, based on a money list. Number of wins to tournaments played, that is the only REAL number that counts.
2006-01-26 @ 07:40
Comment from: One-Putt [Visitor]
"Comment from: John D [Visitor]
Money lists are all just a bunch of useless information, made up by some statistician, who wanted to make somebody look better than they really are. Year after year the size of the winner's check gets bigger, just due to inflation. It is unfair to compare a player from 30 years ago to a player of today, based on a money list. Number of wins to tournaments played, that is the only REAL number that counts."

Money is everything in Professional Golf John. Top 125 on the PGA money list get to play next year without qualifying. The same for the top 100 women on the LPGA tour.

Money determins if you play in the invite only events at the end of the year or step up on the first tee at the Masters. Money earned is the benchmark used to measure Professional golfers. "Winning is nice, but it isn't everything John."
2006-01-29 @ 01:12
Comment from: JW [Visitor] Email
Let's see. Almost 15 months later and still no wins.
Hmmm, Asia_Guy, you still around?
2007-04-16 @ 10:28

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