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Comment from: Karen P. Jansen [Visitor] Email
Amen, I couldn't agree with you more...
05/06/09 @ 12:05
Comment from: Richard Hall [Visitor]
WELL SAID !! After my 25 years and 350,000 lessons with beginners to TOUR Players.... I could not say it any better !
05/06/09 @ 12:12
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Mark,

I agree with most everything you say. Yes, if you become too technique-oriented, paralysis by analysis sets in. It's best to be result-oriented. I discovered this myself. I also, believe it or not, discovered myself that cultivating the correct contact position is something that causes most everything else to fall into place. This is one reason why I recognized right off the bat that most of your words really do contain wisdom.

Where are you wrong? On Stack and Tilt, but I'm not coming from where you may think.

A problem arises if you think of it as a new swing. It is not. A true understanding of it makes you realize that it is an old swing and disabuses you of relatively new misconceptions. You also won't understand it if you take what Bennett and Plumber say in the golf magazines to heart. They err in their relation of the concepts (at least in the magazines) and make it unnecessarily complicated.

Now, as you said, there are no new correct ways to swing, only THE correct way, and what is called "Stack and Tilt" is it. To effect the swing, all you really have to do is not shift your weight backwards during the backswing, avoid sliding your head toward the right (which is common advice), and stay connected, which is also common advice. And, yes, these different actions can be experienced as feelings and amalgamated into one complete feeling, thus making the process as non-technical as possible.

Where B&P err is in providing illustrations in the mags that emphasize the FEELINGS you may have to strive for to effect the action. The problem is that actually getting into those positions would be incorrect, and since B&P don't explain this, many people end up getting into those positions and disaster ensues.

Really, the main message of S&T is simple but important: shifting your weight back is a SWING FLAW that has become accepted as doctrine. If you understand body mechanics, you'll realize that it is an unnatural movement that requires a difficult-to-orchestrate compensatory move on the downswing. You'll also realize if you study other sports (tennis, throwing a ball, etc.) that, when left to our own devices, we always have the weight a bit forward at the end of the backswing, windup, etc.

Shifting the weight back is unnatural and is the kiss of death in golf. And you should note that great ball strikers tend to not shift their weight much at all.

But, hey, if all you cats want to reject the proper swing, it's fine by me. I'll have less competition then.
05/06/09 @ 22:02
Comment from: Nick Clearwater [Visitor] Email
Mark,
This article on Stack and Tilt is just awful. It's sad when articles like this are written by individuals who are CLEARLY uninformed. I would really enjoy reading your opinion on the specific components of the pattern that you disagree with. Is the lack of weight transfer during the backswing the only issue you disagree with? The article explains what your definition of a good teacher is and how students shouldn't be overloaded with information, but the article has no explanation for your stance that Stack and Tilt is a poor way to play golf. I would appreciate any response you may have.
Nick
05/13/09 @ 22:50
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Hi, Nick,

I agree with you. You might find my post, which is above yours, interesting.
05/14/09 @ 23:54
Comment from: dahlquist [Visitor] Email
If people get to basics of the material at hand, which is overlooked by many. You will see that the most common fault in golf is lack of impact control. 99% of golfers have too much of thier weight on the back foot. Thus they get poor contact.
The next major part would be lack of distance, which they have covered very clear in the CD's for the average player to understand.
What I find ironic is that due to the fast success with Andy &Mikes teaching on tour. It made a quick buzz. Even other teachers had taken notice. After several wins on tour and 19 players some of which would include Tim Clark and Sean Ohier that work off the pattern now.
To be frank at its simple form, its a great way for a new golfer to hit the ball the fastest and play golf. Much better than spending three weeks on the grip and backswing while topping the ball.
06/11/09 @ 04:13
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06/16/09 @ 03:34
Comment from: dd [Visitor] Email
Hey Marc, there goes the changing of the guard. All the big dogs are loosing there stables to the new breed. Good luck on the ranting, it gets people nowere fast. Ask Tiger about his foot work and were he gets his information on that over the last year.
09/16/09 @ 03:59
Comment from: JustOneUK [Visitor]
Sorry but I have to agree with the others.
You can't criticise something and then not take the
time to explain what's wrong with it. Stack and tilt certainly appears to work - or certainly has. Mike Weir definately used it and hasn't disappeared overnight. Other players have WON ON TOUR using it which means that others could definately follow. Just because some big names have moved away from it doesn't mean that they haven't retained a certain degree of the mechanics. Lots of players appear more stacked now than ever before - I'm sure I even saw Tiger favouring his left side more :)
10/12/09 @ 17:20
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11/23/09 @ 00:45
Comment from: xyz [Visitor] Email
any more comments on stack and tilt? you may want to ask Tim Clark if it snake-oil.
05/10/10 @ 13:36
Comment from: Lee Sullivan [Visitor] Email
*****
I spent near on 7 hours with Mike and Andy and around 40 british PGA pros at the Belfry, Birmingham U.K. yesterday.
Trust me if you haven't heard it from the horses mouth and had a chance to discuss your concerns about the Stack & Tilt system, then you carn't possibly form an opinion.

Best teaching seminar I've ever been to. Both of the guys are top draw.

07/31/10 @ 15:02

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