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Comment from: ronmon [Visitor]
"even longer and less final-hole-of-a-major-championship-worthy than it already is."

Not going to agree with you on that one, amigo. The 18th at Pebble is hit in two by everyone today. The 18th at St. Andrews is hit in ONE by everyone today. The 18th at Whistling Straits actually had to be WEAKENED, after the players complained that its lower tee was too tough. Pete Dye came back and built a new, raised tee to let the poor pro babies see the fairway lines from the tee. The 18th at the Irish course at Whistling Straits does indeed leave much to be desired (the other 17 are great), but the finale at the Straits course is outstanding.
08/06/06 @ 22:50
Comment from: ronmon [Visitor]
8000 yards divided by 18 holes equals 444.444 yards per hole. That means, essentially, that the par fives average 666 (how devilish), the par 3s run 222 (how relieving) and the par 4s, 444 yards. Honestly, although I miss short holes, you could have two 250 yard par 3s, 1 222 yarder, and 1 166-yard par three. You could do the same with your 4s and 5s, to incorporate the shorter, risk-reward hole. If Tiger hits driver 325 yards, three-wood around 280, that leaves only 100 yards in to a par five, 700-yard hole. The shorter hitters will just have to compensate. I hit driver to the par 3, 17th at Whistling Straits this year. The ball ended up on the right fringe, one revolution shy of a roll-down to the pin. Was it exciting, with Lake Michigan on the left? Heck yes. If professional golfers can be challenged only by distance augmentation, then that's the way to go. Retarding advancements has never been welcomed throughout human history...although we are afraid of where our science will take us (away from god figures, perhaps), we seem helpless to stop it.
08/06/06 @ 22:58
Comment from: Spencer Hux [Member] Email
Ron-
I think the 18th at the Straits course is the worst hole I've ever played at an elite golf course. And the 5th there is not far behind in that category. I just think neither hole fits in with the rest of the golf course, and I don't think either hole has a high shot value. The 17th (I hit 3-wood there on a day with little wind) is long, but it is a fantastic hole; it's one of the best par 3's I've ever played. I feel like going from that hole to the 18th is a huge disappointment. I guess overall it is as simple as this- it's a shame that with the property Dye had at his disposal, he couldn't make something better that was AT LEAST one of the most memorable holes at the course.

However, to each his own. And great statistical breakdown of the yardages. I don't have the patience to do the math.

08/07/06 @ 20:58
Comment from: ronmon [Visitor]
Other than the drive and the lay-up, I like the fifth at Straits. The thing that killed me about that hole was the heat...it's the first time you're away from the lake, and you feel it, man. Did you like the tenth at Straits? What a moon shot! It must be hard to continuously come up with new holes, after you've built thousands of them in your career.
08/07/06 @ 23:51
Comment from: Spencer Hux [Visitor]
I did like the 10th, although my approach hit the fringe, spun back off the green and rolled way down the hill. I think my favorites on the course were the 3rd (is that the 1st par three?), the 4th (one of the hardest holes I've ever played), and the 17th. Overall, I think I enjoyed the front more than the back.

You're right that it must be hard to come up with new holes after so many years, but let's be honest- it's not like Dye is being given flat cow pastures and being told to create something original.
08/09/06 @ 14:20

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