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Comment from: Neileo [Visitor] Email
Just call her Michelle Tryon!!

Maybe she can join Ty on the Gateway Tour and finally make a men's cut in the U.S.!!!
2007-06-01 @ 08:48
Comment from: Shanks [Visitor] Email
Actually, Wie had used 78 strokes through 16 holes. She would have shot 86 with a par on each of those last two holes that she didn't play - far from a certainty based on the way the round was unfolding.
2007-06-01 @ 09:22
Another thing to consider is that even if Wie was able to get par on the last two holes to get an 86, she was facing a possible two stroke penalty ,that would have pushed her to 88, if her playing partners had filed a protest about the incident involving her father giving her advice earlier in the round
2007-06-01 @ 10:22
Comment from: Rick [Visitor] Email
Members of the press such as yourself make money when people read the stuff you write. The members of the LPGA make money when fans come to watch them play. I guess if Michelle causes more people to come to watch the LPGA and more people to read what you write then it doesn't matter how badly she plays or how badly you write. You still make money either way.

Rick
2007-06-01 @ 11:35
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
It sounds to me like what is bogus is the 88 Rule. It appears to be a rule designed to pressure presure badly performing sponsor's exemptions into withdrawing so that the LPGA can then erase their performances from the record book and then pretend that such performances never happened. Unloke the Billy Casper situation, there seems no evidence that Michelle Wie would have withdrawn simply to make herself look better without an LPGA Rule designed to pressure her into doing so.

Please explain why you have now posted 3 times on European Golf News in 2 days concerning a golfer you criticize for getting too mluch press, when the last two posts have absolutely nothing to do with Eurpoean golf.
2007-06-01 @ 12:05
Comment from: Bob L [Visitor] Email
I find it extremely selfish she would take a sponsors exemption from a tour player to the John Deer. If she can barely break 90 at the LPGA she won't at the PGA tournament.
2007-06-01 @ 14:09
Comment from: Ron Mon [Member] Email
Let's remember that Sergio tossed a high-80s a few years back at Da Open. Although the conditions were a bit more challenging, he did rebound to become a perennial runner-up, so there is hope for MW's regaining her perennial runner-up status.
2007-06-01 @ 15:51
Comment from: Joe Cool [Visitor] Email
Unfortunately Bob this is MW'S attitude..."as long as I enjoy playing with the men, I am going to do so."
2007-06-01 @ 15:55
Comment from: Scott [Visitor]
The big difference for Billy Casper and John Daly is that they weren't being threatened with a year's suspension from the PGA Tour if they posted a big number - Michelle was. That's a lot of lost potential income for any golfer, even one not playing the LPGA Tour that often. If, and it's a big if, she did withdraw to avoid the Rule of 88, I can't say I blame her. I would have done the same thing myself. The Rule of 88 is what's in the wrong here, not Michelle.
2007-06-02 @ 02:52
Comment from: John Z [Visitor] Email
Jeff,

That is exactly what the great majority of golfing experts are saying, never mind the overwhelming number of bloggers, many of whom were present Thursday in Mount Pleasant; that Michelle Wie, on the advice of William Morris agent Greg Nared, withdrew from the tournament with two holes to play rather than risk the dreaded "88" rule.

Those closest to her that day, her two playing partners, said that neither of them noticed Michelle to be in any pain or discomfort. Nor did either of their caddies see any evidence of injury. They further said that although they had casually talked with Michelle during the round, she had never once hinted that any previous injury was causing her poor play.

One reporter on the scene wrote that she showed considerable surprise when she was confronted by Nared on her way to the eighth tee, where immediately thereafter she withdrew.

Since you are apparently a devoted fan of Michelle, it must be painful for you to accept the evidence as presented, but it is all too obvious what happened.

From her poor play, her body language, and her weak excuses, it is obvious to anybody that can see that she needs a prolonged rest from any competition. It may be too late.
2007-06-02 @ 14:17
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
It might have been nice if the LPGA had simply told her she could escape the 88 rule by simply not signing her scorecard as they apparently did with Mac Kinzie Kline the next day.
2007-06-02 @ 14:24
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
My guess is that the LPGA decided that Michelle Wie would not be allowed to simply not sign her scorecard-when anyone else would have been allowed to do so.
2007-06-02 @ 14:25
Comment from: John Z [Visitor] Email
Jim C,

I don't know where you got your information, but in fact MacKinzie Kline has become a victim of the "88" rule.

She has forfeited any further participation for the calendar year since she finished her round and posted the 89.

If she had taken the route that Michelle took she could have withdrawn with one hole to go. However, she played the 18th and recorded a triple bogey for the 89 and subsequent DQ for the rest of the year.

So, Jim C, your guess is quite wrong.
2007-06-02 @ 15:33
Comment from: Donna [Visitor] Email
This comment is troubling:

"That's a lot of lost potential income for any golfer, even one not playing the LPGA Tour that often. If, and it's a big if, she did withdraw to avoid the Rule of 88, I can't say I blame her. I would have done the same thing myself..."

Golf is about integrity. To decide not to finish, if that's the case, so she wouldn't lose income is a sorry excuse for that decision. If she doesn't like the rules, she shouldn't play.
2007-06-02 @ 19:45
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Jim C,

You seem to think that there is some sort of nefarious plot afoot by the brass at the LPGA to bring down the already crumbling career of Bubbles.

If anything, the opposite is true. She keeps getting preferential treatment from the LPGA at every turn.

Jim C, you still are evading my question. Is it still your firm belief that Bubbles will take down the winner's check at next week's LPGA event?

You've said that several times, if you remember, so many of us would like to know if anything has happened that might change your mind.
2007-06-02 @ 22:08
Comment from: smudge [Visitor]
Question and forgive my ignorance for posing it. So there is some controversy over BJ alleging advising Bubbles to go back to the tee on that par 3 that she hit it into the woods on (twice) as well as other advice he may have provided along the way. So rule is no advice to the player from anyone other than the caddy during play. The advice here was based on rules. Ie. BJ in essence advising her on the rules that would allow her to return to the tee to play a shot rather than taking an unplayable that would not have improved her ability to play a shot. Ok so what is the difference in her manager providing advice about the 88 rule? Would thtat not be a rules violation as well? Is the only reason no one is debating that because she ultimately withdrew. Seems to me that is a blatant violation that should result in some sanction. She is now a professional and should at least be fined. Especially with all of the warnings previously doled out to her. Anyway can anyone assist me with this? is it a rules violation for a manager to advise a player about the rules of golf? or the rules of the tour? or anything for that matter?
2007-06-04 @ 19:04
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
smudge,

My understanding is that once the golfers are on the first tee, the only exchange of information or advice allowed is between and among the players and their caddies.

If a ruling is requested, only the golfers and their caddies are initially apprised of what that ruling is.

Managers, agents, parents and relatives, and friends ARE NOT allowed inside the ropes at any time, nor are the permitted to ask any information of any officials.

BJ Wie and Greg Nared had absolutely no business approaching Bubbles on the course once play had commenced.

It is a travesty that the LPGA brass hasn't come down hard on these indiscretion.
2007-06-04 @ 20:34

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