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  1. § Anna Madrigal Email said on :
    They should have to be at least 18 months post-op. I'm post-op and I know that although 3 years of hormones alone decreased my upper body strength considerably, I was still pound for pound stronger than most of my female peers at that point. Of course I wasn't comparing myself to ATHLETES then. About a year and a half after surgery my upper body strength had decreased to almost nill. Two years after surgery my bf who is twice my age can overpower both of my arms with his off-arm. Any transgendered female athlete that can win a handicapped arm-wrestling match against a male senior citizen is obviously cheating.
  2. § Stacy Email said on :
    Anna,

    Post-op or not, even if a man can the ball farther than his female counterpart, golf is also about finesse and the short game (100 yards and in).

    I can play my husband Barry on the same tee and we are usually battling it out on the 18th hole.

    Of course that is the average decent golfer. Lawless played to a 1+ handicap which means all aspects of the game were in order.
  3. § Anna Madrigal Email said on :
    Absolutely. I was being facetious ;)
  4. § Anna Madrigal Email said on :
    My point was that in any competitive sport with well trained athletes the perceived "transgender edge" is far less than the media-hype around it. Unfortunately you can't just say it (Lana tried) because nobody actually believes you.. and you end up with news stories like this one. She only won by 4 yards.. a slight gap in concentration, a bad breeze, anything could have changed the outcome (and then there wouldn't have been anything to write about at all)

    How does her previous career or previous weight affect how she plays _now?_ The answer is it matters about as much as the price of tea in China. Sure her arms are a little large, but I bet dollars to doughnuts that an analysis would show those biceps are about as dense as the cotton in the top of an aspirin bottle. It takes years for muscle tissue to compact itself as you transition from male to female, long after the torque of the previous physique is long gone. So it's all bark, no bite - just like this article.
  5. § Stacy Email said on :
    As far as your idea that there would not be anything to write about if there had been "a slight gap in concentration, a bad breeze" couldn't be farther from the truth.

    What is happening here is the possibility of other transgenders joining the ranks and changing the future of sports as we know it.

    It's all about the ability to compete...isn't it? Don't we all want our voices heard?
  6. § Anna Madrigal Email said on :
    Stacy:
    Would there really be an article if she had been another runner-up? I doubt it. Every time a transperson wins something though there's always a slew of articles trying to attach an asterisk to their win. I guess if you're not trans you just wouldn't get it.
  7. § dan l Email said on :
    One is "transgendered" or is a "transgendered person". As a group, calling them "transgenders" makes you sound like an ignorant jag bag.
  8. § xrk9854 Email said on :
    Way to go! Let's spread misinformation and push old stereotypes!

    Lawless is a post-op woman. Do you know what that means? It means she does not have testicles! As a result she has practically no testosterone in her body. Natal women, like the runner-up in the competition you're talking about, have MUCH, MUCH more testosterone than Lawless has. In other words Lawless is at a DISADVANTAGE hormonally. It's a fact!

    Also since she is post-op she doesn't require any medication to block testosterone. As I said that testosterone is almost non-existent since she doesn't have testicles! It's a fact!

    She's been on hormone replacement therapy for several years and her muscles have atrophied. That's what happens when a formerly male body is put on estrogen. It's a fact!

    The International Olympic Committee studied this issue extensively for years and came to a conclusion that fully transitioned athletes who are 2 or more years post op can compete. They found that transsexual women had NO advantage over natal women. It's a fact!

    You fail to mention that transsexual women have been competing in various sports for decades and there have been very few wins for them. It's a fact! Maybe because it would undermine your PREJUDICE? Instead of spewing your discriminatory views why don't you try reporting THE FACTS?
  9. § Judge Smails Email said on :
    First, you cannot "become" a member of the opposite sex. You can only mutilate yourself and become a scarred member of yours. And it's absolutely insane to allow this individual to compete with women. But, then again, we're an insane society, so I'm not surprised.

    By the way, I met Renee Richards some years ago -- at a driving range, of all places.
  10. § xrk9854 Email said on :
    Hey Judge try reading some from this site:

    http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/TS.html#anchor107763

    It's based on SCIENCE. That section also has lots of links to the actual SCIENTIFIC studies.

    For your information transsexual people do not change genders. We change our bodies to match our gender. We were born with a brain-body mismatch. If you read from the link above you will learn the difference between sex and gender. Researchers have proven gender identity is inborn and unchangeable, that is why we transition.

    It's only insane to you because you don't know the truth, you haven't read the science. If you did you would know that transsexuality is a naturally occurring birth condition. And like anyone else that has a birth condition, we have a right to fix that birth condition.
  11. § Jim C Email said on :
    How well did other women over 50 do?
  12. § Judge Smails Email said on :
    xrk,

    First of all, you don't know who I am. I know more about this subject than you could imagine. And I will preface my comments by saying that while I will be blunt, it shouldn't be taken as a condemnation of you personally. I just consider you deluded.

    In reality, I not only know about the "science," I have transcended it. I also know that the science is not as you have presented it.

    Obviously, you have vested interest in believing the politically-correct line. But your problem lies not in your body, but your mind. As for science, it has proven no such thing. What you provide as evidence is simply a tendentious presentation.

    I also am well aware of the purported distinction between "sex" and "gender," but I don't accept it. I don't have to embrace some new category just because some radical psycho-babblers originated it a few decades ago and claim it is valid. The social sciences are driven as much by politics as they are by science, and, as all wise people know, you can find a scientific "study" to back up most any position. (As to the credibility of social science, note that a couple of decades ago psychologists were espousing the notion of "gender neutrality." I'm talking about idiots like Dr. John Money.)

    Having said all this, I'm under no illusions. I don't believe that I can disabuse you of your misguided notions. You are a person with a severe mental problem who insists he only has a physical one. You are a person who believes that your feelings can be the arbiters of reality. You are a person who won't acknowledge the real issue.

    I understand this. After all, it's infinitely easier to change your body than your mind, especially since we really understand so little about the mind. But all you're doing is curing a headache by cutting off the head.

    What's really sad is that we live in a society that is content to let deeply troubled people turn themselves into freaks.
  13. § xrk9854 Email said on :
    Thank you Judge for exposing yourself as a transphobe! You are condemned by your own hateful words. If I and hundreds of thousands of others, are so deluded... why is transition such an overwhelmingly successful treatment for us? In fact transition is the ONLY proven medical treatment for transsexualism. No your objection are rooted in religious morality and NOT on science.

    By the way I'm a successful medical profession. Maybe you have even been one of my patients. I am not deluded, that would be you clinging to your old judgmental biases. I'm a success, productive citizen that pays taxes just like you. And maybe that's what really irks you, the fact that I exist. Because I turn your BELIEFS on their head. You are simply wrong.
  14. § Judge Smails Email said on :
    xrk,

    Calling me names won't deter me. I really don't care what the secular left has to say about my character.

    By the way, you can crow about how successful you are, but your writing speaks volumes. Perhaps you were in a tizzy and descended into an irrational state of mind that impaired your function.

    Oh, you can be assured that I've never been to you for treatment. I can tell the difference, and, while I consider you a child of God, I would never place myself in the care of someone who has exhibited such a dislocation from reality.

    You say you're in the medical profession; you're not Richards, are you? I doubt you are, but I just thought I'd ask.
  15. § xrk9854 Email said on :
    More insults and disrespect JUDGE? I wonder if you truly are a judge with the lack of manners you have. You have fallen hook, line and sinker for old stereotypes. Do you remember Christine Jorgensen? Surely you're not going to tell me she looked like a man. Or how about Caroline Cossey, who once played a Bond Girl in "For Your Eyes Only". Since when do they cast men as Bond girls. You are guilty of stereotyping. You have no idea how well most of us look after transition. And by the why in the 3 years since I transitioned not a single patient has questioned my gender. Now you're scared of the unknown and it's a fact they when people are scared they often resort to insults and sometimes violence. All I asked of you was to read a webpage and learn the truth. But you JUDGE don't seem to be interested in the truth. You believe the BIG LIE you've been forcefed over the years by the media and religious groups and you are unable to free yourself. You'd rather stay ignorant. How sad. Got one more link for you and anyone else who reads this: http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/TSgallery1.html Tell me ALL those women look like men. Don't run from the truth, embrace it.
  16. § Judge Smails Email said on :
    It's ironic that you would tell me I've fallen hook, line and sinker for old stereotypes when you have fallen hook, line and sinker for new ones. That is, because I won't rubber-stamp an absolutely freakish idea, it must be because I've been A, brainwashed by religious groups; B, brainwashed by the media (which, mind you, has done nothing but carry water for you people); and C, become scared. There isn't a chance that I just might be a philosopher who has thought these matters through deeply, is there? I know you wouldn't dare contemplate that possibility because YOU are scared, scared that deeper examination might actually reveal that I'm right. You are unable to free yourself and would rather remain ignorant. How sad.

    By the way, it's ironic that you would tell me to embrace the truth when you don't even believe in it.
  17. § Alex Email said on :
    Judge Smails,

    Maybe xrk9854 gave himself such a handle because he is confused as to what he is now.

    He could be a robot right out of "Star Wars."

    I wonder if he now sings soprano or baritone.

    How about they way old xrk coined the word "transphobe"?

    On the NASCAR circuit that might mean "fear of transmissions."

    No doubt that he is an Obama voter.

    Alex USMC 1969-73
  18. § Judge Smails Email said on :
    Alex,

    You make a good point. Perhaps that handle is a reflection of his deeper self. And, yes, there is a direct relationship between the probability that one will originate a neologism describing a new "victim group" and the probability that one will vote for leftist demagogues who spout empty rhetoric about dope and the mange.

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