Natalie Gulbis outmaneuvered by Michelle Wie, the importance of the impact zone and the divot
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Michelle Wie has finally slipped below the top-fifty golfers on the official Rolex Rankings.
Obviously, Samsung World Championship officials have not had the opportunity to view the latest rankings because, if they had done their homework, I’m sure they might have discussed an alternate approach to the teenager who was given this special exemption.
Does Michelle Wie deserve an accolade designed for an elite field consisting of the defending champ, the LET money leader, the four major championship winners and the balance of the top-twenty on the money list?
But, then again, put yourself in her position. Would you give up your spot in a tournament so that Natalie Gulbis can have a shot at $250k? Not likely.
Gulbis would have been the twentieth entrant, if not for Michelle Wie’s special exemption. Annika Sorenstam recently turned down a special invitation given to an active World Golf Hall of Fame member (and five-time winner of this event) because she didn’t want to take a spot from a deserving golfer.
Hopefully, Michelle Wie will not disappoint, but, as Barry mentions when asked about his thoughts on the teenager, his answer is always the same. “Want to see Michelle Wie’s name on top of the leaderboard? Just flip it upside down!”
Other features in this week’s Golf for Beginners podcast include golf tips from the latest Golf Digest magazine. We talk about Bobby Clampett’s basics which include achieving proper impact and taking a divot. Barry also discusses his round and how tips from last week’s podcast helped reduce the amount lost in his weekly Nassau.
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Comment from: Lance R [Visitor]
Well here we go, let the posts begin.
This week should be interesting, as I am confident that Bubbles will accept her invitation even though she does not deserve it. Her invitation was premature, and her performance this year does not justify getting selected for a top-20 field. But, life is not always fair.
I predict that she will come in the bottom quarter of the field of 20. She can not use the wrist excuse anymore, as it has been several months since she last played. Time will tell. Any other predictions?
Go Lorena!!!
LR
This week should be interesting, as I am confident that Bubbles will accept her invitation even though she does not deserve it. Her invitation was premature, and her performance this year does not justify getting selected for a top-20 field. But, life is not always fair.
I predict that she will come in the bottom quarter of the field of 20. She can not use the wrist excuse anymore, as it has been several months since she last played. Time will tell. Any other predictions?
Go Lorena!!!
LR
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2007-10-08 @ 16:13
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Lance R,
Like you, I predict that Bubbles will finish at best in the third quarter of the field, and that she will never be in contention after the first round. By that I mean that she will be at least three strokes from the lead and will get further slide from there.
But I also predict that the diehard Wie Warriors will be euphoric if she scores better than even one other golfer. They will view such a devlopment as proof positive that her game has returned and will only get better.
After all, they will deduce, she did "beat" one of the best nineteen golfers in the world.
And if she would happen to outscore either or both Morgan and Paula, stark, raving insanity will be the order of the day in Wiedom.
Like you, I predict that Bubbles will finish at best in the third quarter of the field, and that she will never be in contention after the first round. By that I mean that she will be at least three strokes from the lead and will get further slide from there.
But I also predict that the diehard Wie Warriors will be euphoric if she scores better than even one other golfer. They will view such a devlopment as proof positive that her game has returned and will only get better.
After all, they will deduce, she did "beat" one of the best nineteen golfers in the world.
And if she would happen to outscore either or both Morgan and Paula, stark, raving insanity will be the order of the day in Wiedom.
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2007-10-08 @ 17:08
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor]
Stacy,
You said Gulbis would have been in the field if not for Wie.
That's wrong.
If Wie had decided not to accept the exemption, it would have gone to another player of Samsung's choice.
They probably would have picked Sorenstam, and Sorenstam would have accepted that exemption, because it wouldn't have been taking a place off someone else.
That's the thing, Wie accepted a sponsors exemption, and that doesn't take a place off any other player.
You said Gulbis would have been in the field if not for Wie.
That's wrong.
If Wie had decided not to accept the exemption, it would have gone to another player of Samsung's choice.
They probably would have picked Sorenstam, and Sorenstam would have accepted that exemption, because it wouldn't have been taking a place off someone else.
That's the thing, Wie accepted a sponsors exemption, and that doesn't take a place off any other player.
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2007-10-08 @ 17:29
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor]
Alex: "By that I mean that she will be at least three strokes from the lead and will get further slide from there."
WOW Alex, Ochoa will probably shoot about 65 in the first round and you think Wie will be at least 3 shots worse. As usual you make such brave predictions!!!
Then you wouldn't even join Lance by predicting she would be in the bottom quarter, you merely said you didn't think she would ahead of the 3rd quarter, basically meaning you predict she won't be in the top 10.
Hardly another brave prediction Alex. Where are your convictions in your opinions?
WOW Alex, Ochoa will probably shoot about 65 in the first round and you think Wie will be at least 3 shots worse. As usual you make such brave predictions!!!
Then you wouldn't even join Lance by predicting she would be in the bottom quarter, you merely said you didn't think she would ahead of the 3rd quarter, basically meaning you predict she won't be in the top 10.
Hardly another brave prediction Alex. Where are your convictions in your opinions?
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2007-10-08 @ 17:33
Comment from: Lance R. [Visitor]
Alex,
I agree that if Bubbles beats Paula or Morgan, the Wie-wees would go ballistic. I think she would have a hard time beating Paula though. Maybe for one round as Paula did shoot a 77 last week, but I think she is just to consistent for Bubbles to hang with over multiple rounds. Morgan, on the other hand, is not quite as consistent in this stage of her career. I would still be very surprised to see Bubbles defeat her.
Stacy Prammansudh is have a good year. She is another one that I pull for since she if from my home state of Oklahoma. I think she got a new coach this year, and has really improved her game.
If Bubbles has a good first round, you Wie-wees need to be aware of her frequent second round melt downs.
LR
I agree that if Bubbles beats Paula or Morgan, the Wie-wees would go ballistic. I think she would have a hard time beating Paula though. Maybe for one round as Paula did shoot a 77 last week, but I think she is just to consistent for Bubbles to hang with over multiple rounds. Morgan, on the other hand, is not quite as consistent in this stage of her career. I would still be very surprised to see Bubbles defeat her.
Stacy Prammansudh is have a good year. She is another one that I pull for since she if from my home state of Oklahoma. I think she got a new coach this year, and has really improved her game.
If Bubbles has a good first round, you Wie-wees need to be aware of her frequent second round melt downs.
LR
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2007-10-08 @ 18:35
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Stanley,
As usual, your post is predicated on a non sequitur.
Lorena has not shot a 65 in the opening round of the Samsung just yet, but you make a case as though she has.
Also Big Stan, since you want to nitpick with semantics, I also said that she would go downhill from there.
And Stanley, in proper English, "worse" is the comparative form of "bad."
Since there can be nothing bad about a 65, maybe you can re-phrase your comment.
Speaking of bravery(or lack threof)what is your prediction for Bubbles in the Samsung?
As usual, your post is predicated on a non sequitur.
Lorena has not shot a 65 in the opening round of the Samsung just yet, but you make a case as though she has.
Also Big Stan, since you want to nitpick with semantics, I also said that she would go downhill from there.
And Stanley, in proper English, "worse" is the comparative form of "bad."
Since there can be nothing bad about a 65, maybe you can re-phrase your comment.
Speaking of bravery(or lack threof)what is your prediction for Bubbles in the Samsung?
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2007-10-08 @ 18:40
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Stanley,
You have made much of the fact that Bubbles hasn't technically taken a spot from a more deserving golfer.
But let's suppose that Bubbles had an epiphany and decided to make a belated call to the Samsung committee to say that she would like to decline her invitation and that the invitation shoud be extended instead to Natalie.
Do you believe that the committee would accept her declination and follow her suggestion, or would they instead prefer to offer an exemption instead to another golfer with credentials similar to those of Bubbles?
No would be a good time to give that elusive definitive answer.
You have made much of the fact that Bubbles hasn't technically taken a spot from a more deserving golfer.
But let's suppose that Bubbles had an epiphany and decided to make a belated call to the Samsung committee to say that she would like to decline her invitation and that the invitation shoud be extended instead to Natalie.
Do you believe that the committee would accept her declination and follow her suggestion, or would they instead prefer to offer an exemption instead to another golfer with credentials similar to those of Bubbles?
No would be a good time to give that elusive definitive answer.
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2007-10-08 @ 18:47
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor]
Alex,
If Wie told them who to give the invite too, they would probably thank her in a polite way and then hang up the phone and say who the f* does she think she is.
We will invite who the f* we want.
If Wie told them who to give the invite too, they would probably thank her in a polite way and then hang up the phone and say who the f* does she think she is.
We will invite who the f* we want.
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2007-10-08 @ 18:55
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Stanley,
If that's your definition of a "definitiv answer", I guess we can blame it on your provincial education.
If that's your definition of a "definitiv answer", I guess we can blame it on your provincial education.
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2007-10-08 @ 19:05
Comment from: coolio [Visitor]
The only acceptable outcome is for The Teenage Golf Sensation to end up dead last.
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2007-10-08 @ 19:05
Comment from: Irma [Visitor]
It is always fun to read all the comments posted in any MW discussion. Here are my predictions: Michelle will have one or two rounds close to even par. Unfortunately I see her with 2 high-score rounds. She will finish 15th to 20th. It does not take a genius to predict that Lorena will finish among the top five. I would love for her to be involved in one of the following scenarios:
A) She starts Sunday with a one or two stroke lead and by the 18th hole she is able to hold off the competition, maybe even doubling the lead.
B) She starts Sunday 2 or 3 strokes behind the leader. By the 18th she has come in tied. She wins in a playoff.
Lorena is a great player but she still has to work on her Sunday finish. Maybe get some of Tiger’s killer instinct and intimidation factor.
Whatever happens I hope it turns out to be a great show.
A) She starts Sunday with a one or two stroke lead and by the 18th hole she is able to hold off the competition, maybe even doubling the lead.
B) She starts Sunday 2 or 3 strokes behind the leader. By the 18th she has come in tied. She wins in a playoff.
Lorena is a great player but she still has to work on her Sunday finish. Maybe get some of Tiger’s killer instinct and intimidation factor.
Whatever happens I hope it turns out to be a great show.
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2007-10-08 @ 19:16
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Lance R,
I'm beginning to think that stanley has a terminal case of internet bi-polar disorde.
About six weeks ago, after Bubbles missed the cut at the Canadian, Big Stan posted here that he had sworn off on Bubbles, that she wasn't serious about her golf game, that she should jack the idea of going to Stanford, etc. He seemed really irate and disillusioned with his former idol.
Then, mysteriously, the very next week when she again missed the cut at the Safeway, he jumped back on the Bubbles bandwagon. Now he is back as Wie Warrior numero uno. And Bubbles hasn't played a round since then.
Stanley, old boy, what gives? Are you serious?
I fully realize that the term "serious Irishman" is an oxymoron, but several of us are beginning to worry about you.
I'm beginning to think that stanley has a terminal case of internet bi-polar disorde.
About six weeks ago, after Bubbles missed the cut at the Canadian, Big Stan posted here that he had sworn off on Bubbles, that she wasn't serious about her golf game, that she should jack the idea of going to Stanford, etc. He seemed really irate and disillusioned with his former idol.
Then, mysteriously, the very next week when she again missed the cut at the Safeway, he jumped back on the Bubbles bandwagon. Now he is back as Wie Warrior numero uno. And Bubbles hasn't played a round since then.
Stanley, old boy, what gives? Are you serious?
I fully realize that the term "serious Irishman" is an oxymoron, but several of us are beginning to worry about you.
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2007-10-08 @ 19:27
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor]
Alex,
Of course you worry. Such kind hearted people as yourself have a tendancy for that.
Maybe you might worry about providing us with a deinition for a "definitiv answer" which you not only asked for, but also put in quotes.
By the way, if you wanted a proper answer, I did answer properly. I said that they would not care less what advise she would give about inviting someone else and they would just invite who they would want.
Of course you worry. Such kind hearted people as yourself have a tendancy for that.
Maybe you might worry about providing us with a deinition for a "definitiv answer" which you not only asked for, but also put in quotes.
By the way, if you wanted a proper answer, I did answer properly. I said that they would not care less what advise she would give about inviting someone else and they would just invite who they would want.
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2007-10-08 @ 19:45
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor]
typo.
deinition should read definition.
deinition should read definition.
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2007-10-08 @ 19:46
Comment from: Wienuts (Rich James) [Visitor]
Hey there Wie bashers, Michelle is playing because Samsung wants her there.
I predict a top 5 at least. I hope she beats them all for her first win!!!
I predict a top 5 at least. I hope she beats them all for her first win!!!
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2007-10-08 @ 20:56
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor]
Alex. You are having a problem with mental disorders?
We are going to be regaled by the 3 faces of Alex?
Now there are several of you?.. What a scary thought.
Wienuts. That would be the funniest story of the seaon. Can you imagine Baldy's face? To say nothing of the near fatal heart failure that it would cause Alex and his fans.
We are going to be regaled by the 3 faces of Alex?
Now there are several of you?.. What a scary thought.
Wienuts. That would be the funniest story of the seaon. Can you imagine Baldy's face? To say nothing of the near fatal heart failure that it would cause Alex and his fans.
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2007-10-08 @ 22:05
Comment from: JR [Visitor]
Hey Guys...the precious MW better hurry up and do something if she wants to break those other "youngest" records that all of the MW fans like to clamour about. If she doesn't win this tourney, youngest to win an LPGA tourney is out the window and if she doesn't win one of the first 2 or 3 majors next year, that moniker will be gone also. Must be tough to go from prodigy and full of hype to "just another golfer on tour 'trying to make a cut'". Hopefully, she will take an ethics class at school and see how taking this exemption into a tourney that advertises the "20 Best Players" is somehow classless when she knows she is not in that group. Who knows, maybe MW can petition to compete at the highschool level. She might actually win something. But then again, there would be a good chance she would lose and it wouldn't surprise anyone...
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2007-10-08 @ 22:38
Comment from: Josh [Visitor]
If Samsung just wanted candy for their exemption, they should have chosen Jodie Kidd, she shoots about the same as Wie at the moment, has more class and personality, races cars and plays polo when not quaffing champers with royalty.
There again, she's A-list so they couldn't afford her; or I for that matter!
There again, she's A-list so they couldn't afford her; or I for that matter!
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2007-10-09 @ 04:37
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Wienuts(Rich James),
Like you, I predict that Bubbles will tee off on the first hole at the Samsung.
While your prediction for "at least a top five" might be a little ambitious, I also predict that Bubbles will have her best finish of the year despite her nagging injuries.
Bubbles will blaze her way to a top twenty finish! You heard it here first!
Like you, I predict that Bubbles will tee off on the first hole at the Samsung.
While your prediction for "at least a top five" might be a little ambitious, I also predict that Bubbles will have her best finish of the year despite her nagging injuries.
Bubbles will blaze her way to a top twenty finish! You heard it here first!
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2007-10-09 @ 07:27
Comment from: Johnny N. [Visitor]
JR,
From your incoherant babble, it's unlikely you even graduated from high school.
Wie will have a mid-table finish at the Samsung.
From your incoherant babble, it's unlikely you even graduated from high school.
Wie will have a mid-table finish at the Samsung.
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2007-10-09 @ 07:59
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Johnny N.,
JR's post seems quite COHERENT to me.
Why do you find it INCOHERENT?
He does have all his words spelled right.
JR's post seems quite COHERENT to me.
Why do you find it INCOHERENT?
He does have all his words spelled right.
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2007-10-09 @ 10:44
Comment from: Stacy Solomon [Member] · http://www.worldgolf.com/blogs/golf-for-beginners
Hello all!
Although their names weren't mentioned in my blog (ah, but they are in the podcast!) I believe that, just as in the Longs Drugs Challenge, both Lorena Ochoa and Suzann Pettersen will be duking it out.
BTW, that was an exciting tournament!
Morgan Pressel will come in way ahead of Wie, despite her below average showing at last week's event.
Although their names weren't mentioned in my blog (ah, but they are in the podcast!) I believe that, just as in the Longs Drugs Challenge, both Lorena Ochoa and Suzann Pettersen will be duking it out.
BTW, that was an exciting tournament!
Morgan Pressel will come in way ahead of Wie, despite her below average showing at last week's event.
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2007-10-09 @ 13:25
Comment from: Johnny N. [Visitor]
Stacy, I would love it if MW beat MP. It would be such fun to watch yourself and Alex and the excuses you would make.
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2007-10-09 @ 16:55
Comment from: Stacy Solomon [Member] · http://www.worldgolf.com/blogs/golf-for-beginners
No excuses Johnny. It would actually make an interesting blog!
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2007-10-09 @ 18:01
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Johnny N.,
It comes as no surprise to me that you would LOVE to see Bubbles beat Morgan. Golly, you hust love the fact that she is even in the tournament. You will even LOVE it if she comes in last.
Incidentally, do you realize that of all the golfers who competed this year in LPGA events, both members and non-members, Bubbles scoring average was 186th. And that doesn't include those 80's shot during her withdrawals.
It comes as no surprise to me that you would LOVE to see Bubbles beat Morgan. Golly, you hust love the fact that she is even in the tournament. You will even LOVE it if she comes in last.
Incidentally, do you realize that of all the golfers who competed this year in LPGA events, both members and non-members, Bubbles scoring average was 186th. And that doesn't include those 80's shot during her withdrawals.
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2007-10-09 @ 18:06
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
putt4par,
The only result at the Samsung that would shock me would be an outright win by Bubbles. Only slightly less shocking would be if Bubbles was in contention to win with nine holes to play on the final day.
p4p, you're a reasonably intelligent man. I'm sure you realize that in the study or probabilities, there is such a premise as "deviation toward the mean."
Although it's hard to disagree with Stanley that Bubbles' golf game is in tatters, anything is possible in a no-cut 20 player event.
With the pressure of making the cut removed, and with a guarantee of her highest finish and biggest check since this very event last year, it is possible though unlikely that Bubbles could have a decent tournament, something she hasn't had in more than a year.
One need look no further than the exmple of David Duval as an example of "deviation toward the mean." David has been mired in a deep slump for the better part of a decade. Yet a few years ago, in the very depth of the slump, he shot a spectacular 63 at the TPC of Avenel and either set or tied the course record, after which the slump continued.
So, although I don't expect it from Bubbles, I won't have heart failure if she gets lucky and and finishes in the first ten. Now, if she WINS, call 911!
The only result at the Samsung that would shock me would be an outright win by Bubbles. Only slightly less shocking would be if Bubbles was in contention to win with nine holes to play on the final day.
p4p, you're a reasonably intelligent man. I'm sure you realize that in the study or probabilities, there is such a premise as "deviation toward the mean."
Although it's hard to disagree with Stanley that Bubbles' golf game is in tatters, anything is possible in a no-cut 20 player event.
With the pressure of making the cut removed, and with a guarantee of her highest finish and biggest check since this very event last year, it is possible though unlikely that Bubbles could have a decent tournament, something she hasn't had in more than a year.
One need look no further than the exmple of David Duval as an example of "deviation toward the mean." David has been mired in a deep slump for the better part of a decade. Yet a few years ago, in the very depth of the slump, he shot a spectacular 63 at the TPC of Avenel and either set or tied the course record, after which the slump continued.
So, although I don't expect it from Bubbles, I won't have heart failure if she gets lucky and and finishes in the first ten. Now, if she WINS, call 911!
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2007-10-09 @ 18:23
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor]
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
putt4par,
Now, if she WINS, call 911!
I don't think you'd be alone.
putt4par,
Now, if she WINS, call 911!
I don't think you'd be alone.
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2007-10-09 @ 20:19
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Bubbles is listed on the lines of betting sites at odds of 80 to 1 by Pinnacle and 101 to 1 by Ladbroke's. Only Bettina Hauert, the German woman who received the traditional invitation extended to the top European woman, is listed at higher odds by both sites.
I bet two wagers on Ladbroke's site, both for $20. One on Christie Kerr at 17 to 1, and the other on Maria Hjorth at 21 to 1.
Of course, Lorena is the prohibitive favorite on both sites at 1.22 to 1 and 2.01 to 1 respectively.
I bet two wagers on Ladbroke's site, both for $20. One on Christie Kerr at 17 to 1, and the other on Maria Hjorth at 21 to 1.
Of course, Lorena is the prohibitive favorite on both sites at 1.22 to 1 and 2.01 to 1 respectively.
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2007-10-09 @ 21:15
Comment from: Lance R. [Visitor]
Alex,
I would also need a 911 call if Bubbles won the tournament. It would not have surprised me so much 12 months ago, but it sure would now. Her goal against the men was to make the cut. Her goal against the women has been downgraded from winning to making the cut (which she as failed three straight times). For this event, her goal is likely just not to come in last. I think a last place finish would really damage her image and may prevent her from getting other exemptions next year.
Is she planning on playing any more men's events this year? She as played the Casio Open in Japan the past two years in November. I would guess that she will play in the Sony Open next January. Has anyone heard?
LR
I would also need a 911 call if Bubbles won the tournament. It would not have surprised me so much 12 months ago, but it sure would now. Her goal against the men was to make the cut. Her goal against the women has been downgraded from winning to making the cut (which she as failed three straight times). For this event, her goal is likely just not to come in last. I think a last place finish would really damage her image and may prevent her from getting other exemptions next year.
Is she planning on playing any more men's events this year? She as played the Casio Open in Japan the past two years in November. I would guess that she will play in the Sony Open next January. Has anyone heard?
LR
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2007-10-09 @ 23:33
Comment from: francois [Visitor]
I just read the MW's interview on lpga.com. According to MW, she feels the best she has felt all year, stronger, and has more time to practice now than when she was in HS. That is great news! I really think she is going to do really well at this tournament! A top 20 finish for sure.
Of course, "finish" is the operative word here. As long as she does not shoot a couple of 80s in the first two rounds and all the sudden her head, I mean wrist, starts hurting, she will finish in the top 20. This is definitely going to be an interesting weekend.
I am pulling for Paula or Morgan to win.
Of course, "finish" is the operative word here. As long as she does not shoot a couple of 80s in the first two rounds and all the sudden her head, I mean wrist, starts hurting, she will finish in the top 20. This is definitely going to be an interesting weekend.
I am pulling for Paula or Morgan to win.
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2007-10-10 @ 07:36
Comment from: Lester Hinson [Visitor] · http://www.badgolfer.com/departments/features/barely-legal-michelle-wie-faces-playboy-choice-6072.ht
She may be out of the top 50, but now that she's 18 I reckon her popularity on the internet will shoot even higher.
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2007-10-10 @ 08:44
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Lester Hinson,
Concerning your remark that Bubbles' having her 18th birthday propelling her internet popularity even higher, you should peruse some of the websites dedicated solely to Bubbles and her exploits. Several have not recorded any comments in months.
Unless she actually wins one, I don't see how being eighteen will spark any interest in the fallen idol.
Lance R,
I will be mildly surprised, but not amazed if Bubbles lobbies for and receives an exemption to the Casio.
Her performance there last year was perhaps her worst in a series of dismal outings. And her flop at the Casio pre-dates any "injury" that she incurred while jogging backwards in Hawaii.(Or was it California?)
But I would not rule it out. After all, she is in the Samsung.
francois,
I too read the transcript of Bubbles' interview in Palm Desert. She should definitely be taking some courses in public speaking.
Reading between the lines, I am more convinced than ever that her "injuries" are psychogenic in nature. Judge Smails first posited that theory, and in my opinion he is correct.
It is quite abnormal for such a young person to be so consumed with her health and her perceived maladies.
There was quite a contradiction in her interview concerning her absence from the "Q" school. On one hand, she said that she couldn't compete in the qualifying tournament since it conflicted with college orientation week, which was the week BEFORE classes began.
But less than two weeks AFTER the start of classes, classes which she repeatedly says are very difficult, she has no qualms with blowing off her studies and departing for Palm Desert for about ten days.
Concerning your remark that Bubbles' having her 18th birthday propelling her internet popularity even higher, you should peruse some of the websites dedicated solely to Bubbles and her exploits. Several have not recorded any comments in months.
Unless she actually wins one, I don't see how being eighteen will spark any interest in the fallen idol.
Lance R,
I will be mildly surprised, but not amazed if Bubbles lobbies for and receives an exemption to the Casio.
Her performance there last year was perhaps her worst in a series of dismal outings. And her flop at the Casio pre-dates any "injury" that she incurred while jogging backwards in Hawaii.(Or was it California?)
But I would not rule it out. After all, she is in the Samsung.
francois,
I too read the transcript of Bubbles' interview in Palm Desert. She should definitely be taking some courses in public speaking.
Reading between the lines, I am more convinced than ever that her "injuries" are psychogenic in nature. Judge Smails first posited that theory, and in my opinion he is correct.
It is quite abnormal for such a young person to be so consumed with her health and her perceived maladies.
There was quite a contradiction in her interview concerning her absence from the "Q" school. On one hand, she said that she couldn't compete in the qualifying tournament since it conflicted with college orientation week, which was the week BEFORE classes began.
But less than two weeks AFTER the start of classes, classes which she repeatedly says are very difficult, she has no qualms with blowing off her studies and departing for Palm Desert for about ten days.
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2007-10-10 @ 09:36
Comment from: francois [Visitor]
Nice catch, Alex!!!
Alex wrote: "There was quite a contradiction in her interview concerning her absence from the "Q" school. On one hand, she said that she couldn't compete in the qualifying tournament since it conflicted with college orientation week, which was the week BEFORE classes began.
But less than two weeks AFTER the start of classes, classes which she repeatedly says are very difficult, she has no qualms with blowing off her studies and departing for Palm Desert for about ten days."
By the way, I think the popularity that Lester is talking about is on the sex appeal department! Haven't you noticed how some of those websites, inactive for the most part in recent months, have lots of links to sex websites. For example, http://www.missmichellewie.com/links.htm list the following in the links portion of the website. These are not pop-ups, but actual links from their page:
Best Sexy Celebs: Michelle Wie
Sexy Babes X: Michelle Wie
SexySportsChicks.com: Michelle Wie
So, I agree -- some websites, now that she is no longer a minor (well, tomorrow) will feel even more compelled to give her more "ink," but not because of her great golf results!
Alex wrote: "There was quite a contradiction in her interview concerning her absence from the "Q" school. On one hand, she said that she couldn't compete in the qualifying tournament since it conflicted with college orientation week, which was the week BEFORE classes began.
But less than two weeks AFTER the start of classes, classes which she repeatedly says are very difficult, she has no qualms with blowing off her studies and departing for Palm Desert for about ten days."
By the way, I think the popularity that Lester is talking about is on the sex appeal department! Haven't you noticed how some of those websites, inactive for the most part in recent months, have lots of links to sex websites. For example, http://www.missmichellewie.com/links.htm list the following in the links portion of the website. These are not pop-ups, but actual links from their page:
Best Sexy Celebs: Michelle Wie
Sexy Babes X: Michelle Wie
SexySportsChicks.com: Michelle Wie
So, I agree -- some websites, now that she is no longer a minor (well, tomorrow) will feel even more compelled to give her more "ink," but not because of her great golf results!
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2007-10-10 @ 10:58
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
francois,
Another delicious bit of irony delivered by Bubbles was her statement that if she had it to do over again, she wouldn't have played golf at all during the 2007 LPGA season.
And where did she say these words of wisdom? Why, down at Palm Desert where she is preparing to play in the 2007 Samsung Golf Tournament!
Priceless!
Another delicious bit of irony delivered by Bubbles was her statement that if she had it to do over again, she wouldn't have played golf at all during the 2007 LPGA season.
And where did she say these words of wisdom? Why, down at Palm Desert where she is preparing to play in the 2007 Samsung Golf Tournament!
Priceless!
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2007-10-10 @ 12:38
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor]
Alex,
MW was referring to the events she played earlier. But she is ready to play tournament golf.
MW was referring to the events she played earlier. But she is ready to play tournament golf.
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2007-10-10 @ 13:09
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Stanley,
And you know she is ready to play tournament golf because-----?
And you know she is ready to play tournament golf because-----?
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2007-10-10 @ 13:11
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor]
Alex,
Because she said so. She said she is far stronger than she had been earlier in the year and that is good.
For those of us with much experience and knowledge of golf, it had been very obvious as to the shortcomings in her swing earlier and how her wrists were affecting her performance badly.
When an injured player heals, it is just a matter of golf form after that. Sure it doesn't necessarily come straight away, but it is much easier to improve when physically good.
Because she said so. She said she is far stronger than she had been earlier in the year and that is good.
For those of us with much experience and knowledge of golf, it had been very obvious as to the shortcomings in her swing earlier and how her wrists were affecting her performance badly.
When an injured player heals, it is just a matter of golf form after that. Sure it doesn't necessarily come straight away, but it is much easier to improve when physically good.
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2007-10-10 @ 14:18
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Stanley,
Then what you're saying is that she wasn't ready to play tournament golf prior to this week.
Why then did she not decline the numerous exemptions? If her physical condition was as poor as you say it was, what could possibly motivate a supposedly intelligent young woman to continue to flounder with withdrawals, missed cuts, and last place finishes?
Are her advisors that clueless? Or was it the slim possibility of a big payday?
Stanley, with all that experience and knowledge of golf that you boast of possessing, answering these simple questions should be a breeze>
Then what you're saying is that she wasn't ready to play tournament golf prior to this week.
Why then did she not decline the numerous exemptions? If her physical condition was as poor as you say it was, what could possibly motivate a supposedly intelligent young woman to continue to flounder with withdrawals, missed cuts, and last place finishes?
Are her advisors that clueless? Or was it the slim possibility of a big payday?
Stanley, with all that experience and knowledge of golf that you boast of possessing, answering these simple questions should be a breeze>
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2007-10-10 @ 15:05
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor]
Alex,
You need only read her interview. She said that it was a mistake for her to come back so early, and you asked the question then why would an intelligent young woman have made the mistake.
She answered that too Alex, it was her stuborn competitive nature that was the reason she came back so early even when she wasn't right physically and was playing with a big disadvantage versus her fully physically healthy form.
You need only read her interview. She said that it was a mistake for her to come back so early, and you asked the question then why would an intelligent young woman have made the mistake.
She answered that too Alex, it was her stuborn competitive nature that was the reason she came back so early even when she wasn't right physically and was playing with a big disadvantage versus her fully physically healthy form.
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2007-10-10 @ 17:30
Comment from: francois [Visitor]
Can you believe all the comments about a player who is having such a terrible year??? Many will argue that Michelle is the most popular golf player, after Tiger, that is. Others say that her participation at these events draw big crowds. I am not sure...
You see, people like to watch amazing athletes -- of course Tiger, Jordan, and, yes, even Lorena and Anika, fit in that category. BUT...people are also attracted to disasters -- it is human nature. When we have a hurricane or an earthquake, the whole nation becomes glued to the television. That does not mean that you are wishing for the disaster to happen, but, again, human beings are attracted to that. MW fits in that category -- I am sure many people just watch waiting for her meltdown or for the excuses later. That does not mean that we want that either!
So...hole by hole comments tomorrow?
You see, people like to watch amazing athletes -- of course Tiger, Jordan, and, yes, even Lorena and Anika, fit in that category. BUT...people are also attracted to disasters -- it is human nature. When we have a hurricane or an earthquake, the whole nation becomes glued to the television. That does not mean that you are wishing for the disaster to happen, but, again, human beings are attracted to that. MW fits in that category -- I am sure many people just watch waiting for her meltdown or for the excuses later. That does not mean that we want that either!
So...hole by hole comments tomorrow?
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2007-10-10 @ 17:59
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Stanley,
You have as many excuses for Bubbles as Bruno Hauptmann had for himself.
So now, this it what I glean from your posts:
Bubbles was severly injured when she tripped and fell while at her aunt's home in Northern California.
But being the courageous trooper that she is, she returned to the golfing wars too early at the Ginn Tribute. There, she was force to withdraw with two holes remaining, the pain was simply unbearable.
However, she made a miraculous recovery which enabled her to go on to Bulle Rock for extensive practice sessions,
which, by the way, were not allowed to the regular LPGA members.
Her game, by your own estimation, remained in tatters for the remainder of the season, with another withdrawal some bottom-of-the-barrel finishes, and culminating with three consecutive missed cuts.
But suddeny, as if by magic, her health has become better than ever. Her golf game is back. All's well with the world. And how do we know all this? Why, she has said so! That proves it!
Stanley, I hope you realize that if Bubbles continues her lackluster play after your detailed explanation, you'll be plumb out of excuses. Well, maybe not. You always seem to come up with something where Bubbles is concerned.
You have as many excuses for Bubbles as Bruno Hauptmann had for himself.
So now, this it what I glean from your posts:
Bubbles was severly injured when she tripped and fell while at her aunt's home in Northern California.
But being the courageous trooper that she is, she returned to the golfing wars too early at the Ginn Tribute. There, she was force to withdraw with two holes remaining, the pain was simply unbearable.
However, she made a miraculous recovery which enabled her to go on to Bulle Rock for extensive practice sessions,
which, by the way, were not allowed to the regular LPGA members.
Her game, by your own estimation, remained in tatters for the remainder of the season, with another withdrawal some bottom-of-the-barrel finishes, and culminating with three consecutive missed cuts.
But suddeny, as if by magic, her health has become better than ever. Her golf game is back. All's well with the world. And how do we know all this? Why, she has said so! That proves it!
Stanley, I hope you realize that if Bubbles continues her lackluster play after your detailed explanation, you'll be plumb out of excuses. Well, maybe not. You always seem to come up with something where Bubbles is concerned.
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2007-10-10 @ 18:17
Comment from: 2under [Visitor]
Stanley, Stanley, Stanley...
(I feel like Mrs. Roper)
Come on!!! Let's not be 100% altruistic. IF she was "injured" (which comes into serious question), where was her counsel? We're talking about F'ing NIKE here...a multi-billion dollar organization!
Her "stubborn competitive nature"? I have a stubborn competitive nature as well. But I am honorable enough to let my results earn my way (which, admittedly, hasn't gotten me very far). After all, isn't golf supposed to be a meritocracy?
So we come to one of two possible conclustions: either she is as dumb as a bag of rocks, or she is unscrupulous. Which is it?
(I feel like Mrs. Roper)
Come on!!! Let's not be 100% altruistic. IF she was "injured" (which comes into serious question), where was her counsel? We're talking about F'ing NIKE here...a multi-billion dollar organization!
Her "stubborn competitive nature"? I have a stubborn competitive nature as well. But I am honorable enough to let my results earn my way (which, admittedly, hasn't gotten me very far). After all, isn't golf supposed to be a meritocracy?
So we come to one of two possible conclustions: either she is as dumb as a bag of rocks, or she is unscrupulous. Which is it?
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2007-10-10 @ 18:25
Comment from: Lance R. [Visitor]
Stanley,
You obviously know a tremendous amount of information about golf, but I think your setting yourself up here a little and may be getting your hopes up to much. "She is ready because she said so." Bubbles has said a lot of stuff that you can't believe, even during her recent meltdown. After getting hammered by the men last year at the 84 Lumber, she said: "I really learned a lot, I will be ready to play in the next men's tournament, I learn so much from playing against the men. The, next tournament (European Open), same result, dead last. But, she came back and said the same thing again after that tournament. She then proceeded to get hammered at the Casio in Japan and the Sony.
My point here is that I really do not think you can rely on what she says. She is alway positive (i.e. Bubbly), regardless of how dire the situation.
LR
You obviously know a tremendous amount of information about golf, but I think your setting yourself up here a little and may be getting your hopes up to much. "She is ready because she said so." Bubbles has said a lot of stuff that you can't believe, even during her recent meltdown. After getting hammered by the men last year at the 84 Lumber, she said: "I really learned a lot, I will be ready to play in the next men's tournament, I learn so much from playing against the men. The, next tournament (European Open), same result, dead last. But, she came back and said the same thing again after that tournament. She then proceeded to get hammered at the Casio in Japan and the Sony.
My point here is that I really do not think you can rely on what she says. She is alway positive (i.e. Bubbly), regardless of how dire the situation.
LR
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2007-10-10 @ 19:51
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
francois, 2under, Lance R etal,
Stanley is the quintessential Wie Warrior.
He can't be cured.
I used to think that he couldn't possibly be serious about his fawning adulation of Bubbles.
Now, I'm convinced that even if Bubbles gave up the game of golf entirely, he would still think she was entitled to enshrinement in the Hall of Fame.
He not only sees nothing amiss about Bubbles playing in the Samsung, he firmly believes that she should be invited somehow to all the LPGA majors in 2008, even though she meets none of the prerequisites.
He is probably a nice fellow, but he's either been out in the sun too long or there is some mind altering substance in the drinking water in his neighborhood.
Alex USMC 1969-73
Stanley is the quintessential Wie Warrior.
He can't be cured.
I used to think that he couldn't possibly be serious about his fawning adulation of Bubbles.
Now, I'm convinced that even if Bubbles gave up the game of golf entirely, he would still think she was entitled to enshrinement in the Hall of Fame.
He not only sees nothing amiss about Bubbles playing in the Samsung, he firmly believes that she should be invited somehow to all the LPGA majors in 2008, even though she meets none of the prerequisites.
He is probably a nice fellow, but he's either been out in the sun too long or there is some mind altering substance in the drinking water in his neighborhood.
Alex USMC 1969-73
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2007-10-10 @ 21:58
Comment from: JR [Visitor]
Happy B-Day MW... for all of the MW fanatics out there, MW is now an adult (legally, although her mental capacity is sometimes in quesiton). Too bad you can't use her age as a qualifier any longer. Now you have to go by just her accomplishments. I know that will be a new concept for you but it is one that I am confident you Wie Warriors can grasp.
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2007-10-11 @ 07:21
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
JR,
I don't entirely agree.
A true and dedicated Wie Warrior never lets facts get in the way of his praise for Bubbles
You have places your estimate of Bubbles' accomplishments on number of tournaments won and other concrete facts, while Wie-wee's have other criteria such as how she has been an inspiration to Florida Mike's daughter, her donation to Hurricane Katrina relief, and the rest of her philanthropic ventures.
And if her age can't be used anymore for her poor showings, they'll always have her "injuries" to fall back on.
I don't entirely agree.
A true and dedicated Wie Warrior never lets facts get in the way of his praise for Bubbles
You have places your estimate of Bubbles' accomplishments on number of tournaments won and other concrete facts, while Wie-wee's have other criteria such as how she has been an inspiration to Florida Mike's daughter, her donation to Hurricane Katrina relief, and the rest of her philanthropic ventures.
And if her age can't be used anymore for her poor showings, they'll always have her "injuries" to fall back on.
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2007-10-11 @ 08:08
Comment from: Oui Oui Oui [Visitor]
Happy Birthday Michelle...
Now please ditch your parents and go get some piercings and tatoos (sp)...
The Wie battles is so passe. Give it a rest.
Now please ditch your parents and go get some piercings and tatoos (sp)...
The Wie battles is so passe. Give it a rest.
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2007-10-11 @ 08:29
Comment from: joe cool [Visitor]
As long as "Bubbles" keeps the attitude "I am here to have fun," she will never be successful in golf. She still has the mindset of an amateur and has not shaken that thought. During the practice rounds she is already rubbing her wrists as if they were bothering her. Of course, with the money she has in the bank, I guess she thinks that she really is just playing for fun. As far as the ultimate positive thinker, she got that from the Tiger...after all, she was suppose to be the "Female Tigress" of golf.
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2007-10-11 @ 08:33
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Johnny N.,
You may be right.
Top ten in a 20-player field is about like making a cut in a full field.
You may be right.
Top ten in a 20-player field is about like making a cut in a full field.
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2007-10-11 @ 09:32
Comment from: Johnny N. [Visitor]
Alex,
I think it's harder than that. It's not just a 20 player field. They are mainly from the top of the lpga money list.
I think it's harder than that. It's not just a 20 player field. They are mainly from the top of the lpga money list.
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2007-10-11 @ 11:04
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Johnny N.,
Ten percent of the field is not from the top of the money list.
And remember, Bubbles couln't come close to making a cut in three full-field events just a few weeks ago.
So I think your fond hopes are a little unrealistic.
But if you get some pleasure from dreaming, by all means, have at it.
Just for my own edification, what has Bubbles done recently to buoy your hopes for her?
Ten percent of the field is not from the top of the money list.
And remember, Bubbles couln't come close to making a cut in three full-field events just a few weeks ago.
So I think your fond hopes are a little unrealistic.
But if you get some pleasure from dreaming, by all means, have at it.
Just for my own edification, what has Bubbles done recently to buoy your hopes for her?
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2007-10-11 @ 11:50
Comment from: francois [Visitor]
This might explain the fascination of some of the Wie "fans" in spite of her terrible performances on the golf course. I do not know if this is true, or if it applies to any of her "supporters" here. Who knows...
http://www.badgolfer.com/departments/features/barely-legal-michelle-wie-faces-playboy-choice-6072.htm
http://www.badgolfer.com/departments/features/barely-legal-michelle-wie-faces-playboy-choice-6072.htm
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2007-10-11 @ 12:34
Comment from: Johnny N. [Visitor]
Alex "Ten percent of the field is not from the top of the money list."
That means the top 18 from the money list are there. Predict something Alex. Predict a number, the place she will finish in the tournament. Just a number. No long winded discussions.
That means the top 18 from the money list are there. Predict something Alex. Predict a number, the place she will finish in the tournament. Just a number. No long winded discussions.
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2007-10-11 @ 13:31
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Johnny,
14th. Now if Bubbles finishes 15th to 20th, will you shout that I'm wrong?
14th. Now if Bubbles finishes 15th to 20th, will you shout that I'm wrong?
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2007-10-11 @ 14:53
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor]
Right now Bubbles is tied for last place at five over. Need we say more?
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2007-10-11 @ 17:16
Comment from: francois [Visitor]
Judge,
It is not over yet, it has only been 10 holes. Yes, tied for last...
I am sure it will not remain that way, after it is all said and done, she could be...
Dead last by herself! Or worse, a WD... But I could be wrong...
It is not over yet, it has only been 10 holes. Yes, tied for last...
I am sure it will not remain that way, after it is all said and done, she could be...
Dead last by herself! Or worse, a WD... But I could be wrong...
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2007-10-11 @ 17:18
Comment from: Waikele [Visitor]
There's a fine line between Bubble's score and her playing partner, Angela Park's. Wie will proclaim to turn it around tomorrow!
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2007-10-11 @ 17:32
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Judge Smails,
After 11 holes, Bubbles in last place all alone.
She has rattled off four consecutive bogeys, and is currently 10 shots behind her playing partner Angela Park, who is not much more than 18 herself.
But, as Big Stan the Harp has repeatedly said, Bubble sis ready for tournament golf. And we can be sure of it because she said so.
I tell you, the entertainment value of the Wiebots on these threads is priceless.
After 11 holes, Bubbles in last place all alone.
She has rattled off four consecutive bogeys, and is currently 10 shots behind her playing partner Angela Park, who is not much more than 18 herself.
But, as Big Stan the Harp has repeatedly said, Bubble sis ready for tournament golf. And we can be sure of it because she said so.
I tell you, the entertainment value of the Wiebots on these threads is priceless.
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2007-10-11 @ 17:48
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
francois,
Bubbles is now in solo last by four strokes at eight over par after 15 holes.
She is 14 shots out of the lead.
I can't help but wonder what the Executive Committee of the Samsung tournament are thinking now.
Bubbles is now in solo last by four strokes at eight over par after 15 holes.
She is 14 shots out of the lead.
I can't help but wonder what the Executive Committee of the Samsung tournament are thinking now.
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2007-10-11 @ 18:37
Comment from: francois [Visitor]
Forget a top 10. Forget breaking par. The question now is: Will she break 80? She needs a birdie in one of the last two holes to do so...
Sigh.. :(
I wonder if she has been grabbing her wrist... We will see in the delay telecast... Any bets on what excuses we will hear today? Will we hear: "It is a fine line between Lorena's 66 and my 81..."
At the moment, she is 12 strokes behind Paula and Morgan, and 14 behind Lorena. Wow!
Even I could not have imagined it being this bad...
WD?
Sigh.. :(
I wonder if she has been grabbing her wrist... We will see in the delay telecast... Any bets on what excuses we will hear today? Will we hear: "It is a fine line between Lorena's 66 and my 81..."
At the moment, she is 12 strokes behind Paula and Morgan, and 14 behind Lorena. Wow!
Even I could not have imagined it being this bad...
WD?
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2007-10-11 @ 18:38
Comment from: francois [Visitor]
Wiebots, I mean, Wie fans, rejoice! That, like, you know, awesome birdie on 17 propelled Michelle to break, yes, 80! In reality, she played a lot better than her 79 and, really, there is a fine line between 79 and the 68s of the leaders. Better news yet: Lorena's double boggie in the last hole means that MW is now "only" 11 strokes off the lead! (Of course, Paula is still out). There are still three rounds to go, so it is possible to catch the leaders by the end of the tournament (or finish 30 strokes behind!).
:(
:(
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2007-10-11 @ 19:03
Comment from: francois [Visitor]
Oops, correction... Sorry...
Her playing partner (a rookie) birdied the last hole and finished 12 strokes in front of her. Yikes! Talk about rubbing it in!
Her playing partner (a rookie) birdied the last hole and finished 12 strokes in front of her. Yikes! Talk about rubbing it in!
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2007-10-11 @ 19:07
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor]
Alex,
I can just imagine what the Wiebots would have said to Napoleon at Waterloo or to Custer at Little Big Horn.
I can just imagine what the Wiebots would have said to Napoleon at Waterloo or to Custer at Little Big Horn.
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2007-10-12 @ 00:27
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Judge Smails,
Bubbles made a long bomb for a birdie on seventeen and an up-and-in par save on eighteen, so a 79 was probably the best she could have expected in the first round.
Bubbles has a new supporter on these boards, His handle is "Michael" and he says that Bubbles will show us Wie bashers her stuff when she turns pro in a couple of years. That's definitely Alan Cup material.
By the way, what do you suppose has become of some of the erstwhile Wiebots? Where are Ghet Rheel, Norman, Alan,and Jim C? Have they given up the ghost, or are they re-grouping?
Bubbles made a long bomb for a birdie on seventeen and an up-and-in par save on eighteen, so a 79 was probably the best she could have expected in the first round.
Bubbles has a new supporter on these boards, His handle is "Michael" and he says that Bubbles will show us Wie bashers her stuff when she turns pro in a couple of years. That's definitely Alan Cup material.
By the way, what do you suppose has become of some of the erstwhile Wiebots? Where are Ghet Rheel, Norman, Alan,and Jim C? Have they given up the ghost, or are they re-grouping?
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2007-10-12 @ 08:00
Comment from: Lance R. [Visitor]
Well folks,
Today is a new day that finds Bubbles 3 strokes back in last place. I am sticking to my prediction of 18th, but it looks as if I may have been a little opptomistic at this point. Bubbles did finish the last couple of holes strong with that long put on 17 and good par save on 18. I think she may shoot a little better today, maybe just a stroke or two above par. If she can manage that, she will probably move up a spot or two.
We will see,
LR
Today is a new day that finds Bubbles 3 strokes back in last place. I am sticking to my prediction of 18th, but it looks as if I may have been a little opptomistic at this point. Bubbles did finish the last couple of holes strong with that long put on 17 and good par save on 18. I think she may shoot a little better today, maybe just a stroke or two above par. If she can manage that, she will probably move up a spot or two.
We will see,
LR
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2007-10-12 @ 08:19
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
francois,
You have suggested that a WD may be in the offing for Bubbles. One young lady in our firm, a disenchanted former fan of Bubbles think rhat also. She says that Bubbles never had any reservations in the past with abruptly walking off the course in the middle of a round, or for that matter, riding off the course in a golf cart or an ambulance.
I don't see that happening at the Samsung. Here's why. All of Bubbles' previous withdrawals occurred when she had no chance to make the cut, and was thus out of the money.
But at the Samsung there is no cut. Basically, her invitation was free money. Bubbles has a lot of mouths to feed and she hasn't had a paycheck in months. And only a little over nine thousand dollars all year. Korean people and those of Korean extraction are known to be frugal people, nothing wrong with that.
The rent has to be paid on the Wie's house in Menlo Park. Bubbles will get about 12K if she finishes right where she's at. If she improves to the 14th that I predicted for her, her payday will probably double. Not bad for hacking around the course for four days.
But if she WD's there will be no payday. So I expect her to finsh 72 holes at the Samsung barring getting struck by a bolt of lightning.
You have suggested that a WD may be in the offing for Bubbles. One young lady in our firm, a disenchanted former fan of Bubbles think rhat also. She says that Bubbles never had any reservations in the past with abruptly walking off the course in the middle of a round, or for that matter, riding off the course in a golf cart or an ambulance.
I don't see that happening at the Samsung. Here's why. All of Bubbles' previous withdrawals occurred when she had no chance to make the cut, and was thus out of the money.
But at the Samsung there is no cut. Basically, her invitation was free money. Bubbles has a lot of mouths to feed and she hasn't had a paycheck in months. And only a little over nine thousand dollars all year. Korean people and those of Korean extraction are known to be frugal people, nothing wrong with that.
The rent has to be paid on the Wie's house in Menlo Park. Bubbles will get about 12K if she finishes right where she's at. If she improves to the 14th that I predicted for her, her payday will probably double. Not bad for hacking around the course for four days.
But if she WD's there will be no payday. So I expect her to finsh 72 holes at the Samsung barring getting struck by a bolt of lightning.
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2007-10-12 @ 09:09
Comment from: Lance R. [Visitor]
Alex,
I think the only way Bubbles would WD is if she started playing so badly that she became overly frustrated. If she gets 10 strokes behind the 19th place player, I could see her storming off the course holding her wrist. But other than that, I at least think she will finish the tournament.
I don't know that her finishing has anything to do with money though. She was awarded such massive endorsements earlier that I think the Wie family is still likely to be worry free when it comes to finances. In fact, I believe that she was listed at the 22nd most wealthy athlete by Sports Illustrated.
She does appear to be supporting her parents now who have traded in their jobs presumably to become pimps. But with the massive endorsements, I would think she sould go without a paycheck for quite some time.
I think the only way Bubbles would WD is if she started playing so badly that she became overly frustrated. If she gets 10 strokes behind the 19th place player, I could see her storming off the course holding her wrist. But other than that, I at least think she will finish the tournament.
I don't know that her finishing has anything to do with money though. She was awarded such massive endorsements earlier that I think the Wie family is still likely to be worry free when it comes to finances. In fact, I believe that she was listed at the 22nd most wealthy athlete by Sports Illustrated.
She does appear to be supporting her parents now who have traded in their jobs presumably to become pimps. But with the massive endorsements, I would think she sould go without a paycheck for quite some time.
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2007-10-12 @ 11:45
Comment from: Lance R [Visitor]
correction - last sentance
I think she "could" go without a paychect for quite some time.
I think she "could" go without a paychect for quite some time.
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2007-10-12 @ 11:49
Comment from: Johnny N. [Visitor]
Alex,
Nice that you are so interested that you were doing a play by play commentary. You sure are a dedicated fan.
Nice that you are so interested that you were doing a play by play commentary. You sure are a dedicated fan.
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2007-10-12 @ 12:20
Comment from: francois [Visitor]
Alex,
I agree, I do not think she will WD either. Not because of the no-cut rule or because of the money (how much for 20th place again?), here I agree with Lance, but because of other factors: frustration, using the slot that could have gone to another golger, i.e., Natalie, having to walk those 18 holes feeling miserable, knowing that people and other golfers are talking, etc., etc., etc. But, if she is anywhere close to not being last, I also doubt she will WD. On the other hand, it is human nature to do things over and over -- it just gets easier to do once you have done it once or twice. It is certainly going to be interesting today. T minus 1 hr and 40 minutes...
I agree, I do not think she will WD either. Not because of the no-cut rule or because of the money (how much for 20th place again?), here I agree with Lance, but because of other factors: frustration, using the slot that could have gone to another golger, i.e., Natalie, having to walk those 18 holes feeling miserable, knowing that people and other golfers are talking, etc., etc., etc. But, if she is anywhere close to not being last, I also doubt she will WD. On the other hand, it is human nature to do things over and over -- it just gets easier to do once you have done it once or twice. It is certainly going to be interesting today. T minus 1 hr and 40 minutes...
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2007-10-12 @ 12:20
Comment from: francois [Visitor]
Bad news...Tadd, tied for 137th place and well on his way to missing the cut in Las Vegas, is starting to talk like Michelle.
"I made a few bad swings that cost me a few strokes and made too many bogeys. But other than that, I played pretty well today," said Fujikawa, a Moanalua High junior playing his fifth tournament since turning pro in July. "I'm really learning a lot out here. It's definitely improving."
Well, not as bad -- at least he does blame himself for the bad score. Too bad -- he does seem to be a real nice kid. I hope he does well.
"I made a few bad swings that cost me a few strokes and made too many bogeys. But other than that, I played pretty well today," said Fujikawa, a Moanalua High junior playing his fifth tournament since turning pro in July. "I'm really learning a lot out here. It's definitely improving."
Well, not as bad -- at least he does blame himself for the bad score. Too bad -- he does seem to be a real nice kid. I hope he does well.
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2007-10-12 @ 12:39
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Lance R. and francois,
Of course, Bubbles has "earned" more than enough to support herself and her deadbeat parents for the foreseeable future.
However, she does have a new and different agent since Ross Berlin gave up on her.
Agents almost all work on a set percentage.
Unless Greg Nared has some other arrangements, he'd probably like to get 10% of even a little bit, especially if he was the one who negotiated the exemption to the Samsung.
20th place at the Samsung will be worth about $12.5K and 10th about $20K.
Of course, Bubbles has "earned" more than enough to support herself and her deadbeat parents for the foreseeable future.
However, she does have a new and different agent since Ross Berlin gave up on her.
Agents almost all work on a set percentage.
Unless Greg Nared has some other arrangements, he'd probably like to get 10% of even a little bit, especially if he was the one who negotiated the exemption to the Samsung.
20th place at the Samsung will be worth about $12.5K and 10th about $20K.
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2007-10-12 @ 12:52
Comment from: francois [Visitor]
Alex,
Good point. By the way, I was typing too fast. I meant that if she does not WD it would be because of the issue of her position could have gone to a more deserving person, i.e., Gulbis, and because others will talk. That would really do a lot more damage to her fragile reputation. If she does WD, it would be because of her frustration, having to walk those 18 holes feeling miserable, etc. Of course, we will hear that it was because her head, I mean wrist injury was aggravated. Again, I think if she is not dead last by a bunch of strokes, she will not WD. Of course, if she doesn't, her "faithful" fans will point to her fighting spirit and label her a true warrior! Oh well...
Good point. By the way, I was typing too fast. I meant that if she does not WD it would be because of the issue of her position could have gone to a more deserving person, i.e., Gulbis, and because others will talk. That would really do a lot more damage to her fragile reputation. If she does WD, it would be because of her frustration, having to walk those 18 holes feeling miserable, etc. Of course, we will hear that it was because her head, I mean wrist injury was aggravated. Again, I think if she is not dead last by a bunch of strokes, she will not WD. Of course, if she doesn't, her "faithful" fans will point to her fighting spirit and label her a true warrior! Oh well...
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2007-10-12 @ 13:03
Comment from: Lance R. [Visitor]
From reading Bubbles pre-tournament interview, I wonder why she does not give herself an "out" in case she plays poorly like she consistently has over the past 14 months. You would think that she would say that she is not 100 percent, that way if she shoots a 79 and is in last place, she could fall back on her "out."
A good "out" could be that she has not practiced much due to demands at college, or that her wrist is not 100%. Instead, she get the Wie warriors all worked up and gets their hopes up, then shoots a 79.
LR
A good "out" could be that she has not practiced much due to demands at college, or that her wrist is not 100%. Instead, she get the Wie warriors all worked up and gets their hopes up, then shoots a 79.
LR
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2007-10-12 @ 13:41
Comment from: francois [Visitor]
Lance,
She could, but that is not a very good "out." A WD by her will draw a heck of a lot of critisism from players and, I think, sponsors alike, not be mention the media. After all, another very deserving golfer was not invited to this very limited and elite (plus her) field. But, who knows...after all, her camp has not been the greatest in the "brain" department...
She could, but that is not a very good "out." A WD by her will draw a heck of a lot of critisism from players and, I think, sponsors alike, not be mention the media. After all, another very deserving golfer was not invited to this very limited and elite (plus her) field. But, who knows...after all, her camp has not been the greatest in the "brain" department...
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2007-10-12 @ 13:51
Comment from: Lance R [Visitor]
Alex and Francois:
OUCH.......
Bubbles just double bogied #10 and #12 to put her at 7 over through 12 and back into last place. The twosome that Bubbles is playing in are really stinking up the course, with her playing partner taking a 10 on the par 5 seventh. Are these two ladies really anywhere near the top 20? These two are in a "barnburner" battle for 19th place. I really think 19th place will be more heavily contested than 1st place.
Bubbles is doing much worse than I thought. I actually thought she would shoot around a 75 today. So much for being opptomistic.
LR
OUCH.......
Bubbles just double bogied #10 and #12 to put her at 7 over through 12 and back into last place. The twosome that Bubbles is playing in are really stinking up the course, with her playing partner taking a 10 on the par 5 seventh. Are these two ladies really anywhere near the top 20? These two are in a "barnburner" battle for 19th place. I really think 19th place will be more heavily contested than 1st place.
Bubbles is doing much worse than I thought. I actually thought she would shoot around a 75 today. So much for being opptomistic.
LR
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2007-10-12 @ 17:09
Comment from: francois [Visitor]
Yesterday, a long birdie putt on 17 saved her from 80. Today, she may need an eagle...
Actually, this is beyond funny. I am starting to feel badly for her. Is it possible to feel that way about an 18-year old who is beautiful, obviously talented, and very, very rich? I do not know, but, in spite of all that, she must feel miserable. In spite of all the backlash that she may get, I am no longer discounting a WD...
Actually, this is beyond funny. I am starting to feel badly for her. Is it possible to feel that way about an 18-year old who is beautiful, obviously talented, and very, very rich? I do not know, but, in spite of all that, she must feel miserable. In spite of all the backlash that she may get, I am no longer discounting a WD...
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2007-10-12 @ 17:16
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
francois,
You read it here first. Bubbles will definitely not withdraw. Unless the Samsung committee agrees to pay her 20th place money whether she finishes or not, look for her to be there on 18 on Sunday.
Remember, with BJ leading the Wie machine, it has never been about anything but money.
When money-grubbing BJ has a surefire lock cinch of putting another twelve large into that mattress, and all Bubbles has to do is play two more rounds of golf, she will finish 72 holes barring an accident of mammoth proportions.
You read it here first. Bubbles will definitely not withdraw. Unless the Samsung committee agrees to pay her 20th place money whether she finishes or not, look for her to be there on 18 on Sunday.
Remember, with BJ leading the Wie machine, it has never been about anything but money.
When money-grubbing BJ has a surefire lock cinch of putting another twelve large into that mattress, and all Bubbles has to do is play two more rounds of golf, she will finish 72 holes barring an accident of mammoth proportions.
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2007-10-12 @ 18:16
Comment from: francois [Visitor]
Alex,
Maybe, maybe... All I know is that she had another 79 today (thanks to a birdie on 18th!) and if she was to play like this again tomorrow, I do not know how she is going to have the energy to show up on Sunday... Daddy will get her to the golf course, though.
Good thing Bettina is there. Can you imagine? Without her, Michelle would be, as of right now, 12 strokes behind the person next to last. She is also a whopping 22 strokes behind beautiful Paula! Twenty-one strokes behind another teenage, rookie Angela. Ouch!
Did she get the LET application from Bettina? Maybe not yet, they have all weekend together...
Today's post-round interview is going to be interesting...
Maybe, maybe... All I know is that she had another 79 today (thanks to a birdie on 18th!) and if she was to play like this again tomorrow, I do not know how she is going to have the energy to show up on Sunday... Daddy will get her to the golf course, though.
Good thing Bettina is there. Can you imagine? Without her, Michelle would be, as of right now, 12 strokes behind the person next to last. She is also a whopping 22 strokes behind beautiful Paula! Twenty-one strokes behind another teenage, rookie Angela. Ouch!
Did she get the LET application from Bettina? Maybe not yet, they have all weekend together...
Today's post-round interview is going to be interesting...
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2007-10-12 @ 18:30
Comment from: Jack [Visitor]
Tadd is 4 shots off the bottom of the leaderboard on the pga tour.
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2007-10-12 @ 18:57
Comment from: Lance R [Visitor]
Alex and Francois,
Hey, I was serious. The scramble for 19th place is going to be more entertaining than who wins the tournament. The two ladies in the cellar (Bettina and Bubbles) are increasing up the (+) side of the leader board at a much more rapid pace with double bogies and scores that the electronic scor card does not have a symbol for (like a 10 on a par 5), then the leaders. Normally, this spread would attract little attention; however, since one of the cellar dwellers is Bubbles, this will be where a lot of the focus is. I still think that Bubbles can take Bettina, but the competition so far is tight, and far to close to tell.
Hey, I was serious. The scramble for 19th place is going to be more entertaining than who wins the tournament. The two ladies in the cellar (Bettina and Bubbles) are increasing up the (+) side of the leader board at a much more rapid pace with double bogies and scores that the electronic scor card does not have a symbol for (like a 10 on a par 5), then the leaders. Normally, this spread would attract little attention; however, since one of the cellar dwellers is Bubbles, this will be where a lot of the focus is. I still think that Bubbles can take Bettina, but the competition so far is tight, and far to close to tell.
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2007-10-12 @ 20:59
Comment from: Jack [Visitor]
Tadd shot 80 to finish last at his pga tour event.
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2007-10-12 @ 21:02
Comment from: coolio [Visitor]
You know, obviously, I am having a lot of fun!
Yeah, I am learning a lot, you know! Obviously, once again, the putts didn't go in... I don't understand that, you know... obviously, I am very smart, you know, I do go to Standford, you know. Obviously, yeah, my daddy made a large donation to that, like, university. Yeah, there is always tomorrow, you know, tomorrow I will shoot a lot of birdies, you know, well, yeah, now I have to read, like, a book. You know, yeah, obviously, you know, I am still a phenom...
Yeah, I am learning a lot, you know! Obviously, once again, the putts didn't go in... I don't understand that, you know... obviously, I am very smart, you know, I do go to Standford, you know. Obviously, yeah, my daddy made a large donation to that, like, university. Yeah, there is always tomorrow, you know, tomorrow I will shoot a lot of birdies, you know, well, yeah, now I have to read, like, a book. You know, yeah, obviously, you know, I am still a phenom...
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