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Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
I probably shouldn't even post this because I had decided that Bubbles should just be allowed to fade away, but, alas, I suppose I'm a victim to temptation.

When I saw that she had missed yet another LPGA cut, I thought of posting a comment on one of the Bubbles threads, but something had changed. I felt a sense of . . . boredom with the Bubbles story. It really has gotten old, reaching a point at which I'm not even sure she's interesting anymore. Really, the only thing that would be mildly interesting would be if she would have a fit of honesty, perhaps saying something after a bad round such as, "You know, I just played lousy, there are no ands, ifs or buts about it. I'm really going to have to put my nose to the grindstone and try to get my game back on track." That at least would be refreshing.

As it is now, I think Bubbles has used up her public relations currency. I mean, it's at a point at which her story can't even be spun anymore.

Anyway, forgive me for even commenting on this. Bubbles' golf game, RIP.
2007-08-20 @ 22:33
Comment from: John D [Visitor]
Here Stanley, Stanley....
Come out, come out where ever you are!!!!
2007-08-21 @ 06:51
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
John D,

You should know by now that Stanley and the rest of the Wiebots have gone into deep cover.

But I can guarantee that they will emerge as fanatical as ever as soon as Bubbles does ANYTHING that can be remotely construed as positive.

Those things can include showing up for the Safeway, making an inane interview, and actually going to any class at Stanford.

If she makes the cut at the Safeway, it will be Katie bar the door, absolute proof that Bibbles is back and ready for the Grand Slam, Master's, Ryder Cup, and the Hall of Fame.
2007-08-21 @ 09:03
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor] Email
Sorry Alex to disappoint you but I won't stick up for Michelle anymore. Her golf game is in tatters and her answer is to go off and p*** about at Stanford. That is not the way to get your game back.
Yes she lost her game because of injury, but the way you get it back is through practice, practice, practice.
While she goes to Stanford, Morgan, Paula and the other young players will keep playing full-time, keep getting better and keep notching up the titles.

If Michelle wants fans, she should get serious about golf.
2007-08-21 @ 09:26
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email

In all honesty, Bubbles' injury was to her psyche. I could elaborate on what I believe are the psychological factors, but I don't feel inclined to write that much, and, besides, it's old territory.
2007-08-21 @ 11:31
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor] Email
I studied footage in slow motion of Michelle's swings at the lpga championship and it was very obvious that she was favoring the wrist. I have no doubt that she did have a serious injury.
However she has been swinging much better and harder through the British Open and Canadian Open.

What she is probably too immature to realise is that although she has worked hard to build up strength, it takes a big commitment to get the game in order as well, and that takes time on the golf course, not in the classroom.
2007-08-21 @ 12:40
Comment from: Lance R. [Visitor] Email

Alex, John D. and I have already made our predictions for Bubbles performance. Alex believes that Bubbles will make the cut this weekend and finish around 45th (right Alex?) On the other hand, John D and I do not think she will make the cut, and I think she will finish around 80th. Do you have a prediction? This will be your last chance to predict her outcome for a while on the LPGA, as she only has the Samsung left.

Predicting Bubbles fate on making the cut is not an easy task as she is finishing right around the cut line these days.



2007-08-21 @ 13:32
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor] Email
I predict she will miss the cut by 3 shots at the Safeway Classic.
2007-08-21 @ 13:42
Comment from: Lance R. [Visitor] Email

Are you serious? Have you lost faith? Do you really think she will perform that poorly? She missed the cut by 3 strokes last week, but improved on driving and hitting greens. She still has control issues, but I think their is slow improvement. She is playing better than she did at Annika's event. Even Alex has predicted that Bubbles will make the cut this week.

I don't believe this...I am trying to cheer up a Wie fan.

What is the world coming to????

I'm losing my mind!!
2007-08-21 @ 23:04
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor] Email
You are right that Michelle has showed signs of improvement and her driving has improved. It takes time to put the whole game together. As her driving improved, her irons might have got a bit worse, as it's difficult to judge them if you are hitting them a bit longer than you had before when the the injury was worse.
Then a player might work on that and putting might go off a bit. It takes time, but as the work is put in, the whole game starts to come together.

But the thing about this is the work has to be put in at the golf course. No amount of studying or listening to lectures about Economics or anything else is going to improve a golf game.
That is why I am very pesimistic about Michelle's golf. Is she really committed to the game?
2007-08-22 @ 09:58
Comment from: Lance R. [Visitor] Email

Looking at bubbles future, I think she will be successful on the LPGA tour is she wants to be and devotes the time and practice. In this capacity, I do not think she will be unbeatable or carry the dynasty of wins that Sorenstam did. As you mentioned, there are to many young players like Ochoa, Creamer, and Pressels (not to mention all the up and coming Korean players) that are getting better and better. What I don't think is that Bubbles will ever make it on the PGA tour like she has vowed to do. I believe that teeing it up against the men on a course like the 84 Lumber Classic last year was damaging to her game, where she was consistently out driven and hitting a second shot 5-iron to the rest of the field's 9-iron. We can agree to disagree, but I think events like this one and the subsequent European Masters where she again came in dead last hurt her game more than any physical injury that she suffered afterwards. A lot of golf depends on your state of mind, and getting pounded by the men late last year could not have helped her game any.

It will be fun to see how she does this week. This will probably be the last time she competes for a while.

2007-08-22 @ 13:37
Comment from: Stacy Solomon [Member]
I predict that Michelle Wie makes the cut but not near the top of the leaderboard.

But can she put together three solid rounds and beat off the invincible Lorena Ochoa?
2007-08-22 @ 14:03
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor] Email
Ochoa has gone way ahead of the other players and is set to dominate the womens game.
Even if Wie gets her game back, she will be hoping that she produces her best golf when Ochoa has off-form tournaments, because in likelyhood, Lorena is going to win anywhere she plays well.
2007-08-22 @ 18:18
Comment from: francois [Visitor] Email
I predict that she will be around to play on Saturday!

Then...she will miss the cut!
2007-08-23 @ 09:03
Comment from: Lance R. [Visitor] Email
Just read Wie's pre-tournament interview. This girl may be smart and headed for Stanford, but she sure does come across as being ding bat during her interviews. I know she is only 17, but someone needs to teach her some skills about public speaking. Way to many "obviouslys" and "you knows." Also, she repeated the statement about only a fine line between shooting an 80 and a 64. She has to be smarter than that. I have shot a true 79 before. I know I will never shoot a 64...not even on a put put course. In reality, there is a hell of a difference between a 64 and an 80.

2007-08-23 @ 14:40
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email

It is gratifying to read that you have become disenchanted with Bubbles' performances of late.

What I find troubling is that you apparently have adopted the politically incorrect stance that young woman like Bubbles should eschew higher education.

Many LPGA touromg pros are college graduates, for instance, Annika and Lorena.

Are you saying that Bubbles should,t try to emulate these two champions?
2007-08-23 @ 14:50
Comment from: Irma [Visitor] Email
Hi everybody,
This is only my second post in this website. First of all I want to apologize for any grammatical and/or spelling mistakes since English is my second language.
Being from Mexico you can imagine that I am in Lorena’s corner all the way. One of the things that I have always admired about her is the fact that although she is confident on her abilities she is the first to admit if a part of her game is lacking and needs to improve. Yes…. She has lofty goals such as reaching number one, as many of the ladies on tour. Yet Lorena backs those goals with small steps…. Improving distance, improving accuracy, etc. It took 5 years of sacrifices and determination to be able to get to where she is right now. Those, combined with the right support system like her family, have created not only an amazing athlete but a basic good human being.
It is funny how I have hardly read a negative thing about Lorena, except about not winning majors and that she is not a closer, or is considered a choker. And yet, emotionally, I believed that she has gained the most strength in the last year. Hopefully we will keep seeing great golf from her, and yet at the same time remain a good role model not only for young Mexicans but for young people around the world.
I am astounded to find the polarizing feelings about Michelle Wie. There is nothing for me to say (good or bad) that has not been said before. I love the LPGA, and I would love it for tour to have bigger audiences and exposure. Can you imagine the ADT championship with a 10 million dollar payout? I rather have the Wie’s, Pressel’s, Creamer’e, Kim’s and Park’s getting better and giving us great golf. Of course as long as Lorena still beats them at the end :)
2007-08-24 @ 00:55
Comment from: Art [Visitor] Email
I believe if Bubbles takes a year off and gets some phycological help she has a chance to be a really good golfer. I doubt that that could happen But who knows??
If the pain gets bad enough almost anybody can seek help
2007-08-24 @ 02:28
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor] Email
Alex said:
Many LPGA touromg pros are college graduates, for instance, Annika and Lorena.

Are you saying that Bubbles should,t try to emulate these two champions?

Lorena is not a college graduate, she did two years and dropped out of college.
If that is what Wie has planned, it might be okay.
However Wie stated that she intends to get a degree and she said it would take more than 4 years, that probably means 6 years. That is too much time away playing part-time golf, and it would make it more difficult to adapt to full-time golf at that stage.

Also, her results at golf during that time, wouldn't be what they could be.
I support Michelle Wie because I have many years experience in the golf industry and she is the most talent female player ever. However, all the talent does not matter if a player is a slacker who isn't prepared to put in the effort and commit to the game.

If she went to college for a while and dropped out then that's fair enough, but if she persists with a part-time golf attitude, that isn't good enough.
2007-08-24 @ 09:57
Comment from: Lance R. [Visitor] Email

The "most talented female player ever" is currently 2 over through 8 (tied for 49th). But, there is still a lot of golf to play. We will see. I do agree with you that if she spent six years in college, it would not be good for her game. But I do not see her staying in college that long, especially when she figures out how tuff Stanford is and how unglamorous living in a college freshman dorm is.


I do not think you will find a lot of negative writings about Lorena Ochoa on this post or any others. No player is without critics and fans who do not like them, but there is not a lot of negative things folks can say about Lorena. She is a class act both on and off the course, even the other players like her.

2007-08-24 @ 14:01
Comment from: Lance R [Visitor] Email

Bubbles just bogeyed 10 and parred 11. She is now +4 through 11 and needs to gain a stroke if she is going to have a decent chance of making the cut tomorrow.

What a round Ji Young Oh is having. She is -7 through 15. If she keeps this up much longer, she will be hard to catch in this 54-hole tournament. Hey, has anyone seen the LPGA photo of Ji Young Oh? She looks just like Bubbles, except she wears glasses.

2007-08-24 @ 14:34
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor] Email
Lance R:
Hey, has anyone seen the LPGA photo of Ji Young Oh? She looks just like Bubbles, except she wears glasses.

Ji Young Oh looks very beautiful in that photo.
I don't think she looks like Michelle though.
2007-08-24 @ 15:17
Comment from: JR [Visitor] Email
Well... we have to look at the bright side. MW did break 80 again so we are starting to see some consistency. just remember that it is thin line between this 79 and a 64. I wonder how much her wrist was an issue today. It's strange, when she posts a score she likes, the wrist is fine but when she isnt too happy with the score... there always seems to be some soreness.... hmmmmmmm....
2007-08-24 @ 16:18
Comment from: Lance R. [Visitor] Email
TGIF everyone!!!


I agree 100%, Ji Young Oh does look beautiful in that photo.

Well Bubbles has her work cut out for her. She shot a 79 today, but its way to early to know what the cut line is going to be. Lorena Ochoa is slowly approaching the top of the leader board at 4 under. Will she win her third in a row???

2007-08-24 @ 16:20
Comment from: francois [Visitor] Email
From Michelle's interview after her 79 today:

"Yeah, I mean, I still feel I hit some good shots there today. Shooting a 79 is not something I think about. The 25-foot putt in number 16 for a birdie was really awesome! I mean, I am capable of getting a birdie in the other holes, too. I mean, you know, like think about it, I am capable of doing that and if I birdie every hole as I am capable of doing, I can shoot a 54. So,as you can see, there is a fine line between a 54 and a 79. That is one of the things I learned studying for my SAT to go to Stanford. My wrist felt really goodly when I had the birdie, but when I had the double bogies I felt a tingly sensation. I am still improving, though. Six months ago, I was only at 60 percent and I have been improving 10 percent per week, so now I am at what, 70 percent. The important thing is to get as much practive as I can, so this high 70s and 80s are really helpful. This week is a tremendous improvement, you know. Tomorrow is Saturday and I will still be playing. Anyway, I still think it is really awesome so I am looking forward to my 54 tomorrow."
2007-08-24 @ 16:28
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor] Email
Here is a very good video clip by Doug Ferguson about Michelle Wie.

Sorry about splitting the URL up like that, but you can cut and paste the URL to find the article.

2007-08-24 @ 18:13
Comment from: JR [Visitor] Email
very insightful clip.... I do recommend patience since the streaming is not the best in the world...
2007-08-24 @ 19:49
Comment from: Art [Visitor] Email
All I got from that address was error 404 not found
2007-08-24 @ 20:54
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor] Email

Art, try going to the Address below and then scroll to the bottom of the page. In Archives under August 24/2007, look for the article "Michelle Wie's Career at a Crossroads
Hope that helps

2007-08-24 @ 21:06
Comment from: Art [Visitor] Email
Thanks, I did find it and Doug was mostly right. But She can make a comeback. She has the physical means to be great, but it also takes a great mental state. I like her, but I just never liked the fact She was comparing herself to being better than most professional men Golfers. That's so way out of line.
She should have realized that when She saw a photo of herself being carted out of a tournament on a strecher due to heat. I googled Michelle Wie News and there are no new articles on her. I guess the novelty is wearing off and She will only get Press from now on if She makes the cut. Poor Thing, except for her Money. I hope they invest it well.
2007-08-24 @ 21:19
Comment from: Lance R. [Visitor] Email

Thanks for the link.

Wow!!!! He ended that with some pretty strong words. "I think her best days may be behind her." I would actually find it hard to believe that she is finished, or that she never seriously contends again. If she is finished, it's her choice. She could always come back and compete. She has proven already that she can compete with everyone on the LPGA, she just has not proven yet that she can win. At any rate, she is pretty much set for life anyhow. $10 mil in the bank and on her way to Stanford, life could be a whole lot worse.

Anyhow, I think she will be back and will contend once she takes some time off.

2007-08-24 @ 21:31
Comment from: Art [Visitor] Email
Thanks, I did find it and Doug was mostly right. But She can make a comeback. She has the physical means to be great, but it also takes a great mental state. I like her, but I just never liked the fact She was comparing herself to being better than most professional men Golfers. That's so way out of line.
She should have realized that when She saw a photo of herself being carted out of a tournament on a strecher due to heat. I googled Michelle Wie News and there are no new articles on her. I guess the novelty is wearing off and She will only get Press from now on if She makes the cut. Poor Thing, except for her Money. I hope they invest it well.
2007-08-24 @ 21:43
Comment from: Art [Visitor] Email
2007-08-24 @ 21:45
Comment from: JR [Visitor] Email
I wish the LPGA would post the 1st Round interviews on their website... here it is Saturday AM and Friday's interviews are still not posted. I'm anxious to see what MW is saying. Anyways...all MW has to do is shoot a 67 to get to the projected cut line. It just doesn't look too good for her. Also, just because she was able to compete in the past does not mean that she will definitely compete again... The odds are in her favor but it is not a given.
2007-08-25 @ 11:01
Comment from: Art [Visitor] Email
Lorena's shooting Lights Out.
She just missed a birdie Putt for a 29 on the front nine by 2 inches. She did not hit it. Michelle looks like She would rather be somewhere or anywhere besides the golf course
2007-08-25 @ 17:16
Comment from: JR [Visitor] Email
This is soooo frustrating...
Michelle Wie, 38-41=79
Q. Not the round you wanted, was it?
MICHELLE WIE: Yeah, I mean, obviously it was very frustrating because just, you know, couldn't get anything going. I made some great par 3's early on in the round, later on in the round, but just a lot of putts didn't go in today. It's just, you know, it was kind of like a hectic round. I didn't know really what happened. I felt like I didn't shoot this bad. But, like I say, the score didn't show how I played today.

WHY can't she just say that she didnt play well instead of trying to make is sound like she played well....
2007-08-25 @ 17:24
Comment from: francois [Visitor] Email
I agree. One important aspect of the learning process is recognizing our mistakes, or, in this case, the bad play. She is only fooling herself by her constant excuses and failure to admit that she is actually playing badly. She tries to find "positives" in everything she does and, sometimes, that is a good thing to do, but there are times when a person must say: That was really bad, or I played really badly and I need to work on my shortcomings and I will be back playing better. Right now, she is in a world or her own -- always making excuses and not seeing reality. Her "fine line" between a 79 and a 64 or whatever the score she wants to quote this week, only hurts her. There is no fine line between what she is shooting and what the top players who are shooting those 60-some. No fine line -- just a WORLD of difference!!!
2007-08-25 @ 17:51
Comment from: Art [Visitor] Email
Bubbles just missed a real short Birdie putt. Of course the positive part is that she had a short birdie Putt. I'm sure she will be able to feed off of that.Ayt least She is only 22 shots off the lead
2007-08-25 @ 19:00
Comment from: francois [Visitor] Email
She just got an eagle!!!! Time for her fans to celebrate! Of course, she is going to miss the cut by about five shots...
2007-08-25 @ 19:29
Comment from: Coolio [Visitor]
Yeah, well, I mean, obviously, yeah, ...

Looks like The Teenage Golf Sensation's score once again doesn't show how she played today.

Apparently, a lot of putts didn't go in today again.

Too bad about that eagle -- now we will never hear the end of it.
2007-08-25 @ 20:46
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
Just curious. What is Nancy Lopez saying thses days? She just shot 82-91 for her two rounds to finish 40 back after two rounds. Didn't Nancy talk about how she was going to show the younger players how to play the game. Wasn't she suppose to be in the top ten. Lucky there is no 88 Rule for player like Nancy Lopez.
2007-08-25 @ 21:16
Comment from: JR [Visitor] Email
but there is an 88 rule for MW... MW had better stop with the denial and come to terms with reality. It must really be tough going from "..a player that is better than Tiger Woods.." to one that can't even make the cut at a women's event. Poor little MW...boo hoo hoo.
2007-08-25 @ 21:22
Comment from: JR [Visitor] Email
one other thing... MW... the score does show how you played today. In fact, your score has shown how you have been playing for the last year. wake up and smell the coffee!!!!
2007-08-25 @ 21:35
Comment from: Lance R [Visitor] Email
Jim C.

No, Bubbles does not have the 88 rule, she has the 86 rule. The rule reads like this: If during any LPGA round, you are +14 (par 72) or (+15 par 71) such that you will shoot 86 if you par the remaining holes (which is to close to 88), you simply withdraw from the event citing an injury, and head to a driving range and begin pounding balls. When envoking the 86 rule, explanations concerning your actions are not necessary.
2007-08-25 @ 22:53
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Jim C,

Well, Jimbo, I'm glad to see that you're still with us. I was ready to take you off the MIA list and and put you with the DOA's.

Since you were a full-fledged Wiebot prior to your prolonged absence from this forum, I assumed that you'd have something to say either pro or con about Bubbles.

If you'll notice, Stanley, formerly Wie Warrior numero uno, has bailed out and is now a severe critic of Bubbles announced intention of going on to college at Stanford and obtaining a degree. He figures it would be all right for her to enroll and experience the college life for two years, but that she should drop out and begin to practice in earnest.

But you have preferred to eschew any mention of Bubbles. Instead, you seem to delight in poking fun at 50 year-old Nancy Lopez, someone who rarely plays anymore, but a multiple major winner, winner of 48 tournaments, and a member of the Hall of Fame.

Hey Jimbo, did it ever occur to you that Nancy was being facetious when she made those innocuous remarks with which she has been credited?
2007-08-26 @ 08:15
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor] Email
Nancy Lopez said that she hoped to get a top 10 as quickly as possible in her comeback. I'm not sure about the remark of showing the young players to play, but she did make the top 10 remark and she was serious about it.
The way she said it was like, get a top 10 and kick on from there.
2007-08-26 @ 13:52
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor] Email
The good thing about Wie at the Safeway from the 2nd round coverage was that she looked to be getting her swing back. Maybe she hadn't got her distance control back and her putting was shocking, but her swing looked technically much better than it had.
I think that can only have occured through hard work, so it is a good sign that she has put that work in.

I don't know what Stanford will do to her game, if she actually goes there. But she does need to commit herself to serious practice. Her swing looks technically good, she hit some shots right down the centre and some right at the flags and the plane of her swing looked excellent, much better than it had in other tournaments, but she has plenty to work on.
Hopefully she puts in that hard work on the golf course.
2007-08-26 @ 13:56
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email

If her websites are to be believed, Bubbles DOES practice diligently every day.

And what about the weeks she spends in Florida with Leadbetter?

And all the practicing she did at Bulle Rock after she withdrew at Annika's Ginn tournament/

Or were these just propaganda put out by the Wie spin machine?

As far as Bubbles actually attending Stanford, unless she and her family are willing to forfeit all the tuition money and the dormitory fees, as well as look foolish to the faculty and the news media, she had better be there for enrollment and at least go to class for the first quarter or semester.

As shaky as her golf game has been for the last year, I'd wholeheartedly advise it.
2007-08-26 @ 16:07
Comment from: Johnny N. [Visitor] Email
Alex: "If her websites are to be believed, Bubbles DOES practice diligently every day."

What websites does she have?
2007-08-26 @ 19:32
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Johnny N,

Where have you been, brother?

Bubbles has several site which used to sing her praises.

www.miss michellewie.com is just one.
2007-08-26 @ 21:04
Comment from: Johnny N. [Visitor] Email
Thanks for that link Alex. What a dreadful website. Full of google ads with a small bit of Wie information thrown in for good measure.
2007-08-27 @ 10:30
Comment from: francois [Visitor] Email

The sad part is that in addition to all the google ads, the website itself has a links portion and most of the websites it directs you to are "sexy" sites:

Best Sexy Celebs: Michelle Wie
Sexy BabesX: Michelle Wie
SexySportsChicks.com: Michelle Wie

And there are others. Let me say again, these are not google ads -- they are links placed there by the webmaster. I guess it is true that sex sells. I would hope they want to "sell" her golf skills, but...

There are many other sites of MW, just do a, guess what, google search. Unfortunately, since her game started going south, they are hardly kept up to date.
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