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Comment from: Bruce Stasch [Member] Email
I agree with much of what you are saying Gary. I'd also add that with the ever-increasing length of courses, it makes it harder and harder for average golfers to enjoy the game. What are the two biggest reasons that golfers leave the game: lack of time and frustration with the game.

Lengthening golf courses is only going to exacerbate the exodus of players and continue fueling the lack of growth in the industy.
2007-03-20 @ 10:07
Comment from: Ed Mitchell [Visitor] Email
Hi Gary,
You are dead right. Let them shoot in the fifties. But make the game play in less then 4 hours and reduce the fees. I want to invite you to play the CC of Jackson, Michigan with me this summer. Can you make some time?
Ed Mitchell
2007-03-20 @ 10:17
Comment from: Mr. Wonderful [Visitor] Email
Dr. Wiren...

We are talking primarily about the PGA Tour which is dictating the need for length. Simply, Titleist, Bridgestone, Callaway should simply make a ball for the Tour. Leave the present ball the average player plays along. Make a single ball for the Tour. If the LPGA, Champions Tour all want to join in, so be it.

It has been well known for years the equipment the Tour Players get is well out of reach from the average player. Back down the Tour ball...
Leave the average player alone...
2007-03-20 @ 10:28
Comment from: gripper [Visitor]
totally spot on. Longer courses reduces walking sensibility, and the last thing we need is to make it cart-only, like Americans aren't fat enough. I'm new-ish, too, and liked that I could play with my mid-90s gal pal at first, but as a man I'm outpacing her badly now, trying to hit Sooo far , and now we can hardly play together, which sucks, and the spread between the tees from women's to mens is longer than some fairways used to be, which also sucks for many reasons. I started two yrs ago because I like that this is the only sport I could compete against old men and women in meaningfully. You don't play darts to see who can throw the friggin' dart the farthest, it's about accuracy, and should be.These stupid toaster oven drivers...dumb, dumb, dumb. What happened to using all your clubs? Reminds me of all my hunting buddies getting super-rifles that can shoot 500 yards...Chicken sh-t, really. It's about the approach. And wreckign the Olde Course at St. A???!? WTF? Awful. Doc W may have a hideous hat (; and a smug look on his face, but he's right on this one. Couldn't even Jog these new courses in 4 hours.
2007-03-20 @ 11:46
Comment from: gripper [Visitor]
totally spot on. Longer courses reduces walking sensibility, and the last thing we need is to make it cart-only, like Americans aren't fat enough. I'm new-ish, too, and liked that I could play with my mid-90s gal pal at first, but as a man I'm outpacing her badly now, trying to hit Sooo far , and now we can hardly play together, which sucks, and the spread between the tees from women's to mens is longer than some fairways used to be, which also sucks for many reasons. I started two yrs ago because I like that this is the only sport I could compete against old men and women in meaningfully. You don't play darts to see who can throw the friggin' dart the farthest, it's about accuracy, and should be.These stupid toaster oven drivers...dumb, dumb, dumb. What happened to using all your clubs? Reminds me of all my hunting buddies getting super-rifles that can shoot 500 yards...Chicken sh-t, really. It's about the approach. And wreckign the Olde Course at St. A???!? WTF? Awful. Doc W may have a hideous hat (; and a smug look on his face, but he's right on this one. Couldn't even Jog these new courses in 4 hours.
2007-03-20 @ 11:53
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
gripper,

Just a minor point: Any rifle can shoot 500 yards, but I take it you were referring to rifles that can shoot targets at that range wth accuracy.
2007-03-20 @ 14:50
Comment from: gripper [Visitor] Email
haha...exactly! You got it! I saw this gorilla Stallone lookalike at the range ripping it way over 300 yesterday, but one in 5 flew even halfway straight. The tennis star grunts he made were distracting, and I can't imagine putting over all the knuckle marks he'd leave around the greens...
Sorry about the redundant post. Sorry about the redundant post. hahahaha
2007-03-20 @ 15:28
Comment from: Mr. Wonderful [Visitor] Email
Gripper...

You are talking about one of the greatest teachers the game has ever known in Dr. Wiren. show a little respect for the man who the PGA of America thought enough to create their teaching manual...

Dr. Wiren, your instructional manual and your teaching gadgets make my job as a PGA Teaching Professional easier, thanks...
2007-03-20 @ 20:05
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
I love the tenor of the post but pinching the fairways where the long hitters drive it is not the answer. They tried that at Carnoustie (site of the infamous Van de Velde collapse) and it produced what many consider the worst major championship set-up in history. Even the R&A has admitted that. For years Jack Nicklaus has been asking for a reduced flight ball for Touring pros. That seems the best way to go. Statistics seem to prove that despite all of the technological advances, we non-scratch amateurs still shoot similar scores.
2007-03-21 @ 09:35
Comment from: Booger [Visitor] Email
Shanks is right about amateurs still shooting similar scores. Chipping and putting is what saves you, not an extra 30 yards off the tee.
2007-03-21 @ 13:11
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
A shorter PGA ball would be a good idea--but you have got to remember ball endorsements are important for PGA players. To make it work, the players will need to be compsensated for lost endorsement money at any tournament that uses the shorter ball. This could be particularly important for the marginal players who struggle to make the cut and earn any official money.
2007-04-09 @ 12:58
Comment from: Doc [Visitor] Email
As a 3 handicapper and 58 year old avid golfer, I can tell you that I don't play 450 yard holes with a driver and a wedge. Some young players can hit it 350 yards, but the average player is still hitting less than 260 off the tee. The tour players should have a shorter PGA ball and the rest of us will still find today's courses plenty challenging.
2007-05-23 @ 17:30
Nice One
Thanks for great stuff
2009-08-13 @ 03:09

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